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Posted almost 9 years ago

How I Lose $20,000 a Year in Real Estate Investments

Burning Money

Photo Credit: Mike Poresky

Losing $20,000 annually is obviously nothing to brag about, or be proud of, but sharing with the BP community is a way that I can help out and pay it forward early in my REI journey. This post will briefly describe how I managed to make this financially disastrous mistake, layout the numbers for you, and discuss what I should have done different.

The Root of the Problem

In 2005, my wife and I were newly married and all we could think about is that we needed to be like every other married couple and buy a home. Young and uneducated (at least in real estate) we purchased our first home near the top of the market based on two decision factors. We liked the home and the bank would lend us the money. A few years later we purchased our second home based on these same factors. This time the market had already toppled, so the result was not as bad, not great, but not as bad. Both of these homes turned into rentals. One became a rental because the home was worth half of what we still owed on it and the other because of our agents recommendation. To learn more about our story, check out How I Became a Real Estate Investor: This is not a great story. Now let us move on to the numbers.

The Numbers

Because we purchased these homes with a lack of financial literacy, real estate literacy, and without the help of the Bigger Pockets community, our purchasing decisions cost us $20,000 annually. The numbers tell the story.

2BR/2BA, 969 SqFt. Condominium.

Rental Analysis 1

3BR/2.5BA, 2,436 SqFt Condominium

Rental Analysis 2

As you can clearly see, the loss for both of these properties combined is $20,913.60 a year. This loss is enough to make me sick to my stomach as I write this post. Being financially illiterate, not understanding real estate, and not looking at these properties as investments has cost us years of financial stress, and most likely several more unless we can figure a way out.

It Could Have Been Different

Hindsight is often crystal clear. Simply educating ourselves in real estate and looking at properties from an investor’s point of view could have not only saved us thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars, but could have even made us money. This incredible loss has set us back years. The only thing that stops me from crying myself to sleep every night is the fact that I have learned from this expensive lesson and we are young enough to make a comeback.

Some simple rules I will use for my next purchase:

  1. 1. Look at properties from an investor’s perspective
  2. 2. Analyze the numbers so they make financial sense
  3. 3. Make my money when I buy, not when I sell
  4. 4. Trust the numbers, not my emotions

I will analyze my next home purchase the same as I would a business purchase. Using my newly acquired financial and real estate education, I will make better decisions. No matter if I live in it, rent it, or flip it, it will have to pass my financial sanity test.

Please comment below. I would love to have a discussion with you.


Comments (18)

  1. Wow you should be asked to come on the Podcast this information is as good as the successes people have had. it will save people a ton of headache and losses. Thanks for posting Scott.


  2. Great information! Thanks for sharing. 


  3. Thanks Scott. Good read and I wish you great luck with your next investment!


  4. @Scott Christensen

    Thank you for sharing this story. We always hear all of the success stories but rarely the cautionary tales, so I really appreciate reading this and I am adopting your 4 rules for when I am ready to invest!

    1. 1. Look at properties from an investor’s perspective
    2. 2. Analyze the numbers so they make financial sense
    3. 3. Make my money when I buy, not when I sell
    4. 4. Trust the numbers, not my emotions


    1. Hi @Julian Starks,

      I am glad that this post is having the effect I intended.  Most TV shows, blog posts, and even books never share the horror stories.  

      This post has also brought me great information such as changing the way I do my books and how to calculate my debt service, thanks to some of the great members here at BP.  

      Thank you for taking the time to read.



  5. Your maintenance expenses seem quite high. When they are added to the association fees they are incredibly high. What types of maintenance are needed beyond what the association fees cover?


    1. Hi Jeff,

      Great point and good question.  First off, let me begin by telling you that I am very conservative.  The maintenance/repair costs also include building and maintaining an emergency account.   My business' emergency account covers six months of business expenses.   

      My association has also hit me with $1000 + surprises in the past.  To repair roof, repair parking lot, etcetera.  During one month alone I was hit with these surprises by both of my associations.  

      Yes, the association fees are supposed to cover all exterior work (including lawn maintenance), but as mentioned above this is not always the case.

      I hope I was able to give you some more insight into my calculations.  Thank you so much for reading Jeff.  I have followed many of your conversations in the short time I have been a member here on BP.


      1. Scott:

        While your current maintenance activities are an operating expense, pedantically speaking, your emergency fund is a reserve, not an expense.  As such, it would normally be deducted from your NOI as is your debt service.

        While setting aside the reserve is a sound business practice, deducting it the right location will make the performance of your properties look a little less dire.


      2. Thanks for posting, @Scott Christensen - not easy putting numbers for losses out there.  Respect.

        In the interest of constant improvement, I'd second @Roy N. comment.  It's important to separate "Maintenance/Repairs" from "CAPEX Reserves" for a couple reasons.  The most important of which is that that's how the accounting and business world does it - when talking to others, it's always best to speak the same language.

        Also, yes to your question about separating "Principal Payment" from "Interest Expense".  When you say "Debt Service" in this article, you should really just be referring to "Mortgage Interest Expense".

        Lots of people focus on cash balances in their bank account instead of actual NOI of a property.  Think about it this way: if you were in year 14 of a 15 year mortgage, this property would actually be contributing in a big way to your net worth. 

        Anyways, assuming you're trying to describe how good (bad?) of an investment this is, I'd suggest an improved list of line items would be:

        • Rental Income
        • Mortgage Interest
        • Property Management
        • Maintenance / Repairs
        • CAPEX Reserves
        • Taxes
        • Insurance
        • Vacancy Allowance
        • Association Fee

      3.   @Roy N.

        @Justin R.

        Thank you so much for sharing.  Although my out of pocket expenses will still be astronomical, understanding my line items will help me to speak the language of REI.  I am in my recovery and learning phase right now, so this information is paramount for me.  Exactly what I was hoping for.  

        I really appreciate both of your comments.


  6. Hopefully it works out in the end. Question for you Mike: Is your debt service just the interest or the entire mortgage payment?

    Just highlighting that how your debt is structured can matter as well.


    1. Hi Tom, I am going to assume this question was for me as I do not see a "Mike" in this conversation. My debt service calculation is both principle and interest. Do you feel calculating it in this way is incorrect? Should I only be calculating interest? I have been looking at total inflow of cash versus total outflow of cash. Thank you for taking the time to read and offer a question.


  7. Thanks for this post @Scott Christensen, especially the 4 rules. I realized last night I'd been excluding properties my realtor was sending me based on whether or not I liked the look of the house. When it hit me this was NOT how investors think, I got back to running numbers! I appreciate your openness.


    1. Hi Kellum. My second home is beautiful, one of the most beautiful homes I have ever been in, and in a beautiful neighborhood. As you can see in my post, this beauty does not make me money. Sharing this story was not easy. Nobody likes to talk about their failures. Most history books mention failures, but focus on the successes. I think people can learn more from failures, than they will ever learn from success. Thank you so much for taking the time to read.

  8. Hey @Scott Christensen- thanks so much for writing this! I think this will help so many people. Your 4 rules at the bottom are GOLD! 


    1. Thank you @Brandon Turner.  That means a lot coming from you.  I appreciate that you took the time to read.