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Real Estate Investor · Santa Fe Springs, California


ok, I am trying to think outside the box, regarding short sales, and how to resell them to FHA end buyers. I am focusing on Southern California market.

I don't know FHA lending rules very well, except that you need to have 90 day title seasoning.

If I purchased a short sale, and then found a potential FHA buyer, could I rent the house to them for the 90 days, then submit the offer, and go through escrow, etc.

There are two issues I can see:
1) many agents won't want to hear they have to wait 90 days+ for their commission (no problem, I can get the buyers myself)
2) the appraisal that may come back 3 months later, could be different than it is today, that is okay, we can just adjust the purchase price. They either get it for the purchase price specified today, or the appraisal value, whichever is lower. I am only buying at 60-65% of market value anyway, so, I have some cushion.

I am not looking at this as the ideal, but more as a backup, if I go to flip a short sale and cannot find a buyer who's lender requires 90 day title seasoning.

Am I overthinking this? Do I even need to have a backup plan?

Any advice or opinion would be greatly appreciated.


Real Estate Investor · Newport Beach, California


Potential problem 3. VOR (Verification of Rent) required - buyers living in the property 3 months and your the landlord. Red Flag! Flip...check out increase in value your allowed within 12 months.


General Contractor · Plum, Pennsylvania


A problem that I could see that has nothing to do with the FHA rules is what if the borrow qualifies for the mortgage today but in 3 months they can no longer obtain a mortgage. What do you do with your new tenants then?

Just the first thing that came to my mind!


Rehabber · Chandler, Arizona


Not sure if this an issue or not, but also when you buy at 65% and then sell at full 100% of FMV, the FHA lender is going to want to know what increased the value of property so much.

Just a thought. There are plenty of none FHA buyers out there, I would stick to non-seasoning conventional lenders. Just my 2 cents.

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Real Estate Investor · Newport Beach, California


I knew there was an issue...and I couldn't remember...and then AH HA! So I logged all the way back in to make sure your taken care of. FHA rule - 6 months seasoning if your living in the house you want to buy! Here is a statement from someone at BofA - Hope this helps!

This is not exactly a "new" rule, (it's been around for a long time) but your lender is correct in that it certainly is an FHA rule. FHA requires that if the buyer is residing in the subject property, they must be living there for six months before being eligible for an FHA loan.

It may seem illogical, but that's the law.

Further, you don't provide much info on the "flip" house (when you bought it, how much you paid, what improvements if any you made) but there are also rules governing -- and in many cases prohibiting -- FHA financing of houses that are deemed to be a "flip" In fact, FHA guidelines even use the term "anti-flipping".

From: Bank of America Home Loans



SFR Investor · Rancho Cucamonga, California


Ya don't do that. It is 6 months if they rent.

If you are buying at 60-65% of ARV, just wait it out. You'll still make lots of money.

FHA transactions are also going much quicker, I have my second one closing in under 30 days after opening escrow. So now it can be done in 4 months instead of 5.


Real Estate Investor · Santa Fe Springs, California


Thanks for all the excellent input!


Real Estate Investor · Newport Beach, California


Don't some people use lease options for this very purpose? This is definitely not my specialty, but I thought I saw that mentioned elsewhere. You get small down payment from buyer, lease payments during the 6 monhts and they close when the seasoning is over (or whenever they can qualify).

Can any of the lease option specialists extrapolate (or tell me how wrong I am :wink: )?


SFR Investor · Scottsdale, Arizona


Henrik, same issue as what Christina mentioned. It goes from 90days to 6 months

overall, just not a good idea


Real Estate Investor · South Dakota


Brian,

I just sold a short sale flip to an FHA buyer by having them do a 6 month bridge loan and then refinance into the FHA loan. I paid 75% of the additional costs of the bridge loan but was able to get it sold.


Real Estate Investor · Santa Fe Springs, California


Great Idea Ryan! Thanks.

I will have to try that.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Christina hit the nail on the head as far as the fall out of the short term lease option, so I don't have to.

Ryan, great idea on the bridge loan, the only problem, how do you find a lender wiling to do a bridge loan on a FHA buyer who has little down, probbaly lower credit scroe (hence the FHA loan), etc.?

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