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Unknown P.Charlotte, NC |
When I start my marketing, I plan to see a lot of potential short sale leads, probably more then I want! I can't afford to tie up all my funds in one deal and wait to resell it, so I plan to double close using the next buyers funds for a very short period of time (and probably a great cost to me, but that's the price i'll have to pay). I have an agent that can list the property before I have actually purchased it, and manage the short sale, but I'm not clear on some details of the sales contract. 1) Let's say I find a property that would retail for 200k, and my goal is to buy it after the short sale for 150k. Do I sign a contract with the seller for 150k then have my team approach the bank to start the process? I'd hate to tie up someone's home at a bad time only to find out that the bank wants 180k, and that it's just not worth it for me. 2) Does the bank need a signed contract before they'll review the short sale packet and start the process? 3) Let's say the bank accepts a reduced payoff, how much time do I have to find my end buyer before the short sale expires? Thanks,
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Mitch F.Real Estate InvestorPortland, Oregon |
Hi Dan, My hat is off to you for getting out there and going after these short sales...and especially for putting together a good plan beforehand. Be careful while listing a property before you close with the bank. The last thing you need is for them to see you listing the property at a higher price then what you are negotiating with them. That will kill your deal for sure. Also, they will not start working on the file until they receive a written offer. I am in Portland so my market condition may be different from from yours...but I have yet to see one go through that was written up subject to simultaneous closing. All my offers are written as all cash at closing and they are still extremely hard to close. Regarding your question of timing...when you write your offer you specify when closing is to happen...if you cannot find a buyer between the time you write an offer and the closing deadline then you have a couple options...one is to walk away using the home inspection as your exit...the other is to ask the bank if they have a " per diem" rate which is a daily fee for an extension after the closing deadline. That can be hundreds or thousands. If you have any more questions please let me know. Thanks! |
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Unknown P.Charlotte, NC |
Mitch, Thanks for the info! Your right that I'll need to be very careful about listing or advertising the property before I've closed on it, but the problem is I'll need to have my end buyer lined up by the time the bank is ready to close. I don't plan on informing them of a double closing as there really is no need for them to know, and I would technically be reselling it after I own it, albeit for a very very short period of time. This is the best plan I can come up with to take advantage of the short sale leads. Since I can't part with the cash to buy them outright and resell at a later date I figured this was the next best option. Perhaps there's another path that I'm missing? I figured if I really am going to have this many short sale candidates, then I should find a way to work them! Also, I only have so much liquid cash available, and I'm worried that they will ask to see proof of funds when I make my offer, is that typical? I'm afraid my limit me to lower priced properties. Dan |
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Mitch F.Real Estate InvestorPortland, Oregon |
One way you can line buyers up before you purchase the property is to do this: 1. meet as many buyers agents as you can and find out what their clients are looking for..neighborhoods, bedrooms, bathrooms, size etc... that way you know what areas to target for short sales 2. Tell the agents that you are negotiating properties at great discounts and that you can sell to their clients at good discounts. When they ask how you benefit..just tell them that you make money on how well you negotiate. They will wonder why their clients can't do the same thing you are...and the reason is because you have the experience in talking to banks and negotiating short sales. Also tell them you have cash and can close quickly...if their clients are buying homes with financing then you want to make them believe that if they were to go after a short sale, then the bank probably won't take them seriously because financing can fall through for so many reasons these days. This way you can get a reputation on the street of an experienced investor who can sell properties to joe and jane Q Homebuyer at good prices...you don't charge fees because you make money on the sale of the property...simple. Your cash situation is a tough one. Bank's always want proof of funds when an offer is submitted. Either its a pre-approval letter from a lender or a letter from a bank stating that you have the liquid funds available to cover the amount of your offer. The loss mitigation dept won't start work on the file until the short sale package has been fully submitted...and part of that is the written offer plus proof of funds. I have heard of people who actually have a mortgage broker write a pre-approval letter for their short sale offers...but they haven't really been pre-approved. If the transaction doesnt close, then they either walk away via the inspection contingency or lose their earnest money deposit. |
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Juan M.Real Estate InvestorLos Angeles, California |
why not just ssign the contract to your new buyers before your deadline ? for a small fee of course..... make your cash up front and just do an addendum to the PC adding the new buyer ? |
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nationwidepiReal Estate InvestorSanta Clarita, California |
Juan, that woudl be a great exit strategy if you were dealing directly with a homeowner and the homeowner alone. Unfortunately, banks will not allow you to assign a contract on a short sale. Lenders specifically have restricted this in their approval letters. |
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Juan M.Real Estate InvestorLos Angeles, California |
Will, Thanks for the heads up......... I was not aware of that in regards to SHORT SALES...... quick question: What about bank owned reo's...... technically they are not short sales so to speak. BTW .. nice website |
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nationwidepiReal Estate InvestorSanta Clarita, California |
You will run into the same problem with REO properties as well. I am not 100% sure that no lender would allow an assignment with an REO, but most will not. There have been some conversations about getting around this like placing the offer in a LP and then selling the portion of the LP for the assignement fee, as well as some other possible alternatives.
No assignment of contract means No and if you attempt anything shady and the lender finds out (in most cases they will), you would be committing fraud. There are, however, some groups/organizations who take down a portfolio of REO's and sell them off to their investors, however, it is not done via assignment, and is done with the full knowledge and permission of the bank. Hope this has helped. PS. Thanks for the compliment on our website!
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Ryan M.Hard Money LenderBellingham, Washington |
[size=18]The answer is using the option contract for your short sales and double closing![/size] Option Contract w/ Addendum
With this contract, nationwide title company, and funding you can double close properties legally and safely and never use any of your own money. The Title Company is know for it's " Blast" program.
If your end buyer is using FHA you may consider using the land trust. |
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Mitch F.Real Estate InvestorPortland, Oregon |
Hi Ryan, Thank you for posting that info...very interesting! Do you have a sample Notice of Option...I am curious to see how you worded it. If you file this with the county can you legally market with an agent on RMLS or are you restricted to your own marketing? I am also curious to see how you spin your negotiations to the bank when writing up a purchase agreement....if you are not bringing any money to the transaction how are you combatting the bank's request for proof of funds? Or are you negotiating with cash or pre-approval letter? |
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Ryan M.Hard Money LenderBellingham, Washington |
You will need to fund the A to B transaction. I can give you the info for the docs and funding for 2 points. |
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Mike S.Real Estate InvestorMinneapolis, MN |
It would be great to see a copy of that option document? |
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Christian R.Real Estate CoachTampa, FL |
Bellingham is right about what he is saying about this method.I have used it to death and so do all my clients ! The bank almost never ask" s for proof of funds so this is not a issue.The memorandum of option agreement for purchase & sale is a great way to also cloud title to the property without having to control the deed to prevent any funny stuff from going on during the short sales process.The thing not to forget about short sales is generally speaking there is no two transactions a like and anything can happen stay away from countrywide for your first deal and get a good mitigation company and always plan ahead your exit strategy 90% of all short sales get discounted but only 30% end getting fliped before the bank steps in and takes them bank ! Dont be greedy if you can flip a house to another investor and make quick buck $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Take
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