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Real Estate Investor · Bay Area, California


Those that are flipping in Cali, are you using the option contract? Or standard CAR forms like the NOD Purchase Agreement?

I was just wondering...if there is an OPTION recorded for X investor, will the short sale lender be more likely to approve a short sale because they know that the sale has to go through the option holder?


Real Estate Investor · Murrieta, California


We've decided to pretty much stop using option contracts for short sales in CA because of the negative stigma surrounding it. We're currently using our own standard purchase agreements if we're dealing directly with the homeowner, or if an agent is bringing us the deal, then we'll use the standard CAR form (NOD-PA or the standard PA). We also make sure to use an addendum that discloses important aspects of the short sale -- such as homeowner will not receive any cash proceeds, bank has to approve short sale and of course our intentions of reselling for a profit. We still file a memorandum of agreement and affidavit to cloud title and to further disclose what our intentions as investors are.

That's a great question of whether the bank is more willing to close the deal since there's an option contract in place. My gut is saying no only because if the seller broke the option contract, what's the recourse for the investor? Since this is a distressed homeowner it's highly unlikely the investor would want to pursue legal action. I think the bank is motivated regardless of the option contract, especially if the short sale is packaged and presented properly. The banks are already motivated to avoid further foreclosures, so I see the option contract as more of a disclosure tool and a reminder to the homeowner to not sell to anyone else.

Moe

Originally posted by H Mann
Those that are flipping in Cali, are you using the option contract? Or standard CAR forms like the NOD Purchase Agreement?


I was just wondering...if there is an OPTION recorded for X investor, will the short sale lender be more likely to approve a short sale because they know that the sale has to go through the option holder?



Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


My associates in California use the CAR. Plus have a addenda page.


· Sacramento, California


Does anyone want to share their CAR addendum verbiage? ...or point me somewhere I can find a sample?


Real Estate Investor · Murrieta, California


This is verbiage we use courtesy of Old School:

1. This contract is contingent upon short sale approvals, acceptable to Buyer.

2. The Seller understands that he will receive NO FUNDS AT CLOSING.

3. Parties acknowledge that the purchase price has been initially based on an estimated negotiated debt at closing. During creditor negotiations, there may be several different purchase prices submitted by Buyer to the Lender(s)/Creditor(s) until a final discounted figure is accepted. Parties acknowledge their acceptance of the different figures and Seller agrees to authorize Buyer to prepare various negotiating offers with various prices without obtaining Seller's signature or approval of each and every negotiating offer.

4. SELLER hereby grants the Buyer and or their representatives all of the necessary rights to immediately list for sale, market, negotiate and enter into a contract to lease or sell the property immediately to a third party for a profit. All documentation in connection with the foregoing will be made available at the Lender's request.

5. Parties acknowledge that Seller may be asked by Buyer to sign a new or corrective contract for the resale of the property. Seller agrees to sign such contract should such signature be needed and requested by Buyer so long as such signature will not result in any financial gain for Seller and that such addition is for the purpose of demonstrating additional evidence as to the dissolution of all Sellers' rights and interests in the property and to permit any MLS Listing.

Hope that helps.
Moe

Originally posted by SunnyCA
Does anyone want to share their CAR addendum verbiage? ...or point me somewhere I can find a sample?




· Sacramento, California


Thanks Moe!


Real Estate Consultant · yucaipa, California


I guess I have a different take on this since L/O are my favorite way to acquire properties. The Best L/O deals require equity-period. No fuss-No muss! Just go find the sellers and properties that match that criteria and save yourself all the aggravation.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Thats great Matt but we are in the "short sale" thread here and are discussing short pays not L/O's.

That said, I see both used commonly as I do the transactional funding and get to see many contracts each week.
Some use the option contract and others use the standard PSA with the addendas added.

My best advice to you is to fork a little dough out to your trusted RE attorney and have him/her advise you on which you should use. Each of us investors are in different situations, etc. and each should consult their own attorneys on this matter.

Moe, thanks for sharing. For those of you who want to use that verbiage, I still highly suggest you have your OWN attorney look it over before moving forward. It is a small price to pay to make sure you do it right and the way your attorney instructs you to do it.
Better safe than sorry is my motto!

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


I also feel that one must get advice from an attorney about how to word the different items on their addenda. Here are my reasons:

1) An attorney will make sure you are not going against any state regulations/laws.
2) An attorney might have a better way to actually word the statements.
3) And what I feel is the best reason- You will be covered since an attorney wrote them.
4) When questioned by a Lender you can honestly answer- my attorney wrote these up to protect all parties involved.

Hope this helps.
James


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


There you have it!

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
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Real Estate Investor · Bay Area, California


MOE...do you use that same addendum even if the subject property is listed with an agent?


Real Estate Investor · Murrieta, California


H Mann:

Yes even if the property is listed with a listing agent, we have them add these as an addendum to the PA.

- Moe

Originally posted by H Mann
MOE...do you use that same addendum even if the subject property is listed with an agent?



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