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· Denver, Colorado


My Uncle in law owns 2 houses in Washington state and he wants me to do a short sale on one of them. He is not in arrears on the property and the loan is with BOA. I have heard of short sales going through even if the loan is not in default. He does not want to sell the property with a realtor because he wants me to get the money from the short sale.

Any advice?


SFR Investor · Scottsdale, Arizona


It's a risky situation to be related to the seller. If I'm not mistaken, the approval letter might even state something like that.

Is your uncle upside down? can he financially keep the payments up?


· Denver, Colorado


He is not upside down but he cannot afford to keep the payments up because he has another mortgage on his primary residence. This is a second house for him, which makes it a sort of vacation property. He is also looking into filling for bankruptcy.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


The bank has very little to no rason to agree to accept a short sale if the payments are current and teh owner has the ability to pay (no hardship).
It is still possible under extreme hardship scenarios that it could get approved, but if your Uncle has the current ability to pay and nothing has changed that other than him being upside down, there is no reason the bank would say, sure we will take less just because you owe more than it is worth!

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· Denver, Colorado


This will probably be his last month that he will be able to pay on the mortgage. He is out of work and has been using his savings and retirement to pay the mortgage payments. So it will probably start to go delinquent this month. Also what if he files for bankruptcy, wouldnt that be a motivator for the bank to do a short sale?


SFR Investor · Scottsdale, Arizona


he's not upside down and he's current?

Have you considered purchasing his home Subject2 and then refinancing out of it later on. This will help the both of you, if you're not interested in doing that, lemme know, I will be


· Denver, Colorado


I do not want to do a subject 2 because there is no equity in the house.


Real Estate Investor · Kahuku, Hawaii


If he's not behind on payments the lender will not consider a short sale. If he starts falling behind on the payments and he owes more than the property is worth, he'll have a better chance. Hope that helps!


Real Estate Investor · Kahuku, Hawaii


Just a quick question...Is the property cash flowing positively every month?


SFR Investor · Scottsdale, Arizona


Originally posted by Jose Rodriguez
If he's not behind on payments the lender will not consider a short sale.



That's actually not even close to the truth.

Mitch, I thought you had said there was equity but then re-read it and saw you say he's not upside down. Can you tell me the difference? I'm confused.


Real Estate Lender · Philadelphia, Pennsylvania


What if he owes what the house is worth? Not upside down, but no equity.


· Denver, Colorado


Sorry for my mis-communication. He is not upside down, he may have $2k-$3k in equity if that.

Also if I were to tell him to wait to go into default is that fradulent activity if he was going to consider it anyways? Also since he is an inlaw, is there a conflict of interest.

Also there is negative cashflow.

Thanks for the replys!


Real Estate Lender · Philadelphia, Pennsylvania


If he can make the payments but chooses not to, that will show in his financials. He will have to get full financials to the bank in order to get a short sale considered.


Rehabber · Tucson, Arizona


Come on guys! Mitch already said he has a hardship! His uncle cannot afford the payments and the house has no equity. (With REALTOR comissions and closings costs will mean he is NEGATIVE)

In my opinion, since your uncle has a hardship and there is no equity, he does qualify for a short sale.

Bottom line, most lenders will compare the projected Shorts Sale Net proceeds against the Net proceeds in a REO scenario. Therefore, even if your uncle has a little equity, it will undoubtedly be covered by espenses in either scenario.

Do not encourage your uncle to miss his payments, this should be something he needs to consider himself.

Additionally, the bank will likely require an at Arms Length transaction, or your local or state laws may also require this. Technically, your relation to him may disqualify you, so do some research and call local title companies just to be sure.

Good luck!


Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


Great answer Scott.

Now I do not have to answer.

Good luck!


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