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Real Estate Investor · Geneva, Illinois


I talked with a homeowner today who wants to do a short sale. They have the one loan with Boa, the house is currently listed with a realtor. I haven't had the pleasure of dealing with BOA yet so I'm not really familiar with equator.
Should I just tell the homeowner to have the realtor deal with equator, and walk away?


Real Estate Investor · Methuen, Massachusetts


Hi Matt,

I just turned one down last week too. It really came down to what I perceived my effort would be to get the deal done IF I could get it done. I turned it down because the BPO had been done and 1 buyer walked already. There was probably a very slim chance I could get it for the price I wanted, so we passed. It's a LOT of work to go through if we didn't really think it would work for us.

I still have a hard time doing it but I think if the BPO hadn't been done already, we might have chanced it.

I think BOA is too much effort.


Real Estate Lender · Chicago, Illinois


Matt,

Rather than just walking away, Old School Title has this new program that I have been curious how it would work out. Maybe this can be a test.
Basically, you give them the Bof A lead and let them work it "cradle to grave". They negotiate the whole thing, the arrange trans funding, everything. The cost in the end is 75% of your profits which is high, but the risk and your work is very low. Better than turning it down.
It is called BofA concierge service or something like that.


Real Estate Investor · Geneva, Illinois


Eric,
I looked them up, it seems interesting. My only concern is it seems that they would do everything. The house is already listed with an agent. I think that might be a sticking point. Otherwise I would be up for giving it a go. 25% is better than nothing.


Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


BofA is NOT easy to deal with.

As for the Old School Title situation, I would really like to hear from someone that has used the service. Not to bad, you get 25% for turning over a lead.


Real Estate Investor · Outer Banks, North Carolina


James,
I have not used the service. I have been trying since Friday to get Bob Mittleman on the phone. I will try again today. Any question you guys would like me to ask post them and I will make a list. I am going to see if they have some literature I can provide the forum as well.


Real Estate Investor · Indianapolis, Indiana


I don't know what the fuss is about regarding BoA! I love them and this is my, well, love story!!!

I just lost a BoA deal. I've had this deal for 7 months.

Here is what happened...

When I got the file we submitted it through Equator, and we waited and waited,(we did call and follow up) but then one day I got an email saying it was declined. I called and asked why, and they said that it was because I did not reply to another email they sent through equator (I checked there was no email).

So I resubmitted it and things went really quick this time. After submitting it, the BPO was ordered the next week. BPO was done (It came in way too high) but I showed why I had offered what I did (Comps and renovation bids), and I begain negotiating with BoA.

However, I knew that the sheriff sale was coming up in a month so I requested that they freeze that until we could get the short sale done.

I was told we would have it done before then and not to worry. Long story short, I followed up every week about the sherrif sale and BoA just stopped replying to my emails, couldn't get answers when I called. I even escalated it to the VP, and right after I did that, I got an email declining the request for more time to do the short sale.

The reason? They stated my request was not placed in a timely manner to the date of the sheriff sale. So they basically stalled me out, and foreclosed on the property anyway... The equator system is nice in my opinion, but BoA is crap and I will be turning them down in the future... The End...


Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


Hi, 25% of what? I would rather see BoA eat every loan, lose deposits and fall flat on their faces than work with them and make ten grand anyday! All of my business was pulled from them, including familys' potential business. Why? I just don't like them, but I like them better than Quicken Loans, who is just plain deceiving. Have a nice day :)


Real Estate Lender · Chicago, Illinois


Originally posted by Richard Graham
James,
I have not used the service. I have been trying since Friday to get Bob Mittleman on the phone. I will try again today. Any question you guys would like me to ask post them and I will make a list. I am going to see if they have some literature I can provide the forum as well.

I have their paperwork on the program. Don't know how to post a document here.


Real Estate Investor · Outer Banks, North Carolina


Just got off the phone w/ Bob Mittleman with Old School Title.
Here is the deal.
Investor gets seller on board and turns them over to Old School Title and a company they have teamed up w/ American Family Properties. They handle it from there. Investors job
1. Acquire seller
2.help find end buyer
3. provided numbers for the market (what will it sell for)

They handle contracts,negotiations,they fund it
and no line #10.
Somehow or another this company has an "agreement" with BofA and they get them to waive line 10

75/25% split of profit

Seems like 25% for being a Bird dog.

Is it worth it?


Real Estate Investor · Kalamazoo, Michigan


Richard,

A few questions...............

1. Do they get the property listed, or is that the investor's job? Your post says the investor "helps find the end buyer".

2. If the property is listed who works with the Realtor (adjusting price, etc.)?

3. Who accepts the end buyer offer....the investor?

Thanks for the information!


Real Estate Investor · Outer Banks, North Carolina


The property gets listed in American Family Properties name for resell. They handle the agent. Said they would work with our agent or they would find one to work with. It seems to me the big benefit is not having to deal w/ B of A and getting number 10 waived. It did not sound like they would market the property as aggressively as some of us would. So if you want to make sure you get your 25% you "help find a buyer".

Is it worth it?


Real Estate Investor · Kalamazoo, Michigan


It might be worth it. From your post, it appears that American Family Properties would serve as the investor and accept the end buyer's sales agreement. The big questions I have is how the property is marketed, and if they are doing a back to back close, or next day, next week or longer. Also what kind of end buyer financing are they accepting....... FHA, just cash???? Thanks for sharing.


Real Estate Investor · Ocala, Florida


Richard,

Thanks! For getting us this info. Sounds very interesting.

It kind of raises some questions, but as it boils down, not a bad deal. 25% for Bird Dogging is a real good deal!


Private Money Lender · Denver, Colorado


Dustin, that is an excellent BofA "love story". They do have an agreement of sorts with BofA if it is submitted with that company and have had success with it. It does equate to a 25% bird dog fee.


Rehabber · Tucson, Arizona


Originally posted by Richard Graham
Just got off the phone w/ Bob Mittleman with Old School Title.
Here is the deal.
Investor gets seller on board and turns them over to Old School Title and a company they have teamed up w/ American Family Properties. They handle it from there. Investors job
1. Acquire seller
2.help find end buyer
3. provided numbers for the market (what will it sell for)

They handle contracts,negotiations,they fund it
and no line #10.
Somehow or another this company has an "agreement" with BofA and they get them to waive line 10

75/25% split of profit

Seems like 25% for being a Bird dog.

Is it worth it?


25% of the split? Old School Title charges high settlement fees and their insurance is underwritten by Chicago Title. They also charge a service fee which I have been told is for the overhead on their program and have heard it costs $2500.00 minimum. They also charge an admin fee for the funding as well as points.

Then consider commisions and closing costs then the 75% to the investor. Sounds like a great program for Bob.

I think I am going to give David Sunlin at Bank of America a call to understand why American Family Properties and Old School Title receive preferential treatment over other investors. I will report back to this thread with what I find out.


Real Estate Investor · Outer Banks, North Carolina


Sounds good to me Scott I would rather pack them up and send them to you anyway.
Bob explained it is a
37.5% Old School Title
37.5%AmericanFamilyProperties
25% to Bird Dog
Split of the Profit


Real Estate Lender · Chicago, Illinois


I'd be interested in hearing too Scott. The way it was explained on the conference call (more hinted than explained) was not that BofA was giving them preferential treatment. But rather than American Family had cracked the code of how to work Bof A's system.


Real Estate Investor · Schertz, Texas


Hey Eric

Im interested to see their paperwork.

Can you send them to me? (Email in my sig.)


Real Estate Investor · San Antonio, Texas


Yeah Scott, if you can get more info over to Joaquin or I that would be great. We're sitting on a few right now that I want to torch but if we can get in on them that would work for us.




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