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Wholesaler · Bay Shore, New York


Here's the challenge: I have a few cash buyers in place ready to go on 2 short sale deals in my pipeline.

Yesterday , my attorney says that she thinks there is going to be an issue with double closing on these as there is a NEW law passed in NY State that says there must be a 60 day period between closings or something like this. We are supposed to talk today so I can get full clarification. Apparently the banks are catching on to flippers making profits on short sales and are trying to put the kabash on any proft being made from the immediate buying and selling of the property for a profit. I guess if there is a profit to be made the bank wants it on their books.

Anyway the attorney says that the title company that she uses said they will not provide title insurance for my double closing scenario. She said she could try some other title company but that it may be risky. This all means that both my pipeline short sale deals could blow up as my exit strategy was to double close with a rehab investor.

I'm thinking either do the flip myself (not what I intended but the profit potential is very attractive to me) or some how JV with one of the cash buyers on the deals?

I was also thinking if a) transactional funding lasts for 60 days it would put me right where I need to be. b) If I had a private money source I would also be in a good place to flip it to a rehab buyer after the elapsed 60 day period and just pay a nice chunk of interest for the use of the money.

Either way. I gotta do something and I need feedback.

This is sort of a hybrid issue about financing/wholesaling and short sales so apologies if I posted in the wrong forum. - Mike


Real Estate Investor · Audubon, Pennsylvania


I'd expect somebody to challenge that law. I bought it, I own it, and I want to sell now - how dare they stop that. Seems a bit unconstitutional.

It is different if you buy with a deed restriction that stipulates you can't re-sell - but for the bank to impose that deed restriction the bank must first own the deed; in a short sale the bank does not own the property, so they aren't in a position to place a restriction on the deed itself.


Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


I agree 100% Steve! Banks are big boys, they have expertise, they should be able to deal in their best interest without passing more laws to protect them from their incompetence.

But that doesn't help the deal at hand. Sell an option to your buyers, leas it, give possession prior to closing, close on day 61, when they will pay the last ten bucks of the deal! Your buyers might have the property to sell the day after they close, assuming this flip law only applies to REOs.


Wholesaler · Bay Shore, New York


Exactly! Also, I thought FHA suspended the 90 day flipping rule so I would think we would be in a good place. It's all very confusing to me.


Wholesaler · Bay Shore, New York


Good strategy Bill. I still have to buy the property which is my conundrum. My initial exit strategy used transactional funding for a day. Using the lease option property I'm gonna need financing for 60 days and I don't have any private lenders lined up.


Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


So, what happens if you do a simple partnership agreement with your buyer. Then both of you buy as tenants in common and he provides the funds.After closing he can buy out your interest in the partnership agreement???? LOL


Real Estate Coach · Rockville Centre, New York


What law is that???? Never heard of any such thing.

Your attorney must be mistaken. First of all, it would be a restraint on alienation and the government cannot restrict how or when you transfer your property.

Perhaps your attorney is thinking of a covenant in the contract, imposed by the short sale lender under HAFA, restraining a purchaser from reselling for 60 days?


Wholesaler · Bay Shore, New York


@ Kathleen - EXACTLY! She couldnt tell me what the law was? It was an attorney that someone here on BP recommended. She never returned my call and I'm using someone else now. She claimed she had done all these short sales but couldnt figure out how to legally manuever around the whole 90 day seasoning issue lenders like to use. She had no thoughts about buying in a corp and trasferring ownership or any any creative ideas about how to the issue. She just kept telling me "the title comapanies are very nervous". Needless to say I couldnt use her.


Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


If there is a selling restriction on the deed, you're likely not going to find a "creative" way around it. Best choice is probably to purchase outright and hold for 60 days, or rehab yourself and resell to a retail buyer after 60 days.

J Scott, Lish Properties, LLC
Telephone: 770-906-6358
Website: http://www.123flip.com
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Real Estate Investor · Portage, Michigan


Originally posted by Kathleen Scanlon
What law is that???? Never heard of any such thing.

Your attorney must be mistaken. First of all, it would be a restraint on alienation and the government cannot restrict how or when you transfer your property.

Perhaps your attorney is thinking of a covenant in the contract, imposed by the short sale lender under HAFA, restraining a purchaser from reselling for 60 days?

Kathleen is probably right or the attorney is confused. Hopefully your new attorney is a bit better at real estate issues! There are also some title companies that do not want to do back to back closings. But, there are many that do!
BIll


Real Estate Consultant · NY, New York


Mike,

What was the update with your dilemma? Did you get the deals closed and sold?
Good news we hope...


Wholesaler · Bay Shore, New York


Still waiting on approvals from the bank. Already switched the contract around to make the buyer a corporation. I will take title in the corporations name. My cash buyer and I are partners in the corp so no seasoning issues. You never got back to me on the Hempstead deal or the Brentwood deal. Are those still on the table?


Real Estate Investor · Kalamazoo, Michigan


Mike,

Be sure to let us know how that turns out. Was it difficult to convince the buyer? Did you actually set up a corporation, or is it an LLC? I'm assuming he will pay you xxxx amount to take yourself out so that he owns it alone.
Interesting!


Wholesaler · Bay Shore, New York


Sorry for the late response. We set up an S- corp. It was more cost effective than an LLC because in NY we have to pay publishing fees and they run high. The buyer was not hard to convince. In fact, most of the buyers I talked to seemed to be open to the idea. They don't mind a newly formed corporation. Some objected to buying with a already established corporation because they dont want to inherit any debt or liabilities that corp may have. The arrangement my cash buyer and I have is that I collect a finite fee for every property I bring the corpration. All other profit belongs to him. This is for every deal. You can see there is lots of buyer incentive there if the deal is right. The buyer that Ive partnered with said he would buy both of the houses I have in my pipeline so he seems like a player. Time will tell.


Real Estate Investor · Tampa, Florida


Mike. When reading the beginning of your post I was going to suggest the route you ended up taking as it is becoming a popular practice.

If you come across a buyer who does not want to partner or purchase the corporation from you and you are restricted to the longer hold period, Aegis RE Partners offers transactional funding for up to 60 days.
http://www.aegisrepartners.com/transactional-funding/

I do not know of any other transactional lender that will go this long of a term, but I may be mistaken. Otherwise the best option if you do not have or want to use your own cash a private investor or hard money loan may be your only other option.

Best of luck!




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