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Hello All,
Thanks for the great info you provide on this site. I am a single dad with 1 child. I have full custody of my child and our home. I have been through a divorce and custody battle. I am not getting child support, x is incarcerated. The bills are too much and I am considering letting my house go into foreclosure. I have thought about the " short sale" option, but they can still can come back after the seller for the remainder after the sale. This is not an option I am interested in. I am not fully aware of Ga. laws. I am current on all 3 loans, but sinking fast. I have had my house for sale for past 3 months. The market here in Ga. is horrible. There are more homes new construction and re-sales than there are buyers. Frustration and Stress are no longer wanted. Can someone tell me besides the BLOW to my credit score, which is nothing new trying to do it all alone. What else negative is there to fear about letting it go into foreclosure? Also should I call the 1st mortgage company and tell them I am going to let it go into foreclosure? Any information is greatly appreciated. :shake:

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Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


Kool,
Very sorry to hear about your situation.

A short sale may well be your best option. If the short sale negotiator can get your lenders to accept whatever payment they agree to as " full and final payment" , they won't be able to come after you. I believe I saw recently where the IRS will no longer come after people for tax on the forgiven debt. This was discussed in another post, but I couldn't find it.

A foreclosure will be really bad on your credit. Not just the score, but it will show up for a long time, in some sense forever. I was speaking with a mortgage broker this weekend who said he had a person recently who looked good to him, but the investor turned down because of a foreclosure more than seven years old.

Letting it go to foreclosure doesn't necessarily get you off the hook for the remaining money. If it sells below the outstanding loan balances, they can come after you for that. So, if that's your concern, foreclosures no better than a short sale.

I would call the lien holders and see what you can work out. They may be willing to work with you.

Sound like you have it listed with an agent. Get them to tell you where it should be priced to sell in the next 30 days.

Jon

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Residential Real Estate Agent · Los Angeles, California


I say your best option would be to price the sale of your home so that when it sells that you brake even. In this sense you can dump the property faster and you don't have to worry about the lender coming for unpaid balance. I do hope you figure out what to do and I hope your house sells soon enough, thanks for you time Kool!


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


Kool, Is what Calixto says an option? I was assuming from your mention of short sale that the total of your three loans was more than you would get once its sold. If there's a price you can sell for and pay off all the loans, then I'd get it to that price ASAP. Too often houses get priced high in hopes of getting a little more. They set on the market too long and end up selling below what they would have sold for if priced property in the beginning.

Jon

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC



Contact the bank immediately and tell them your situation. They may be willing to work with you. The expense of foreclosure creates an incentive for the bank to help you.



Thank you everyone for the information and words of advice. I have it priced right where I would break even. My realtor has been more than helpful. She is a good friend and does not even want her full commision, because she knows my situation. We recently talked about lowering the price even more, hopefully this will move it faster. I do not want to go into foreclosure, but at this point it is almost unavoidable. I want to call my 1st and explain to them what is going on. In my research I found that I should ask to speak with someone in the " loss and mitigation" department. Someone in this department with the power to make decisions regarding the loan. Has anyone here ever spoke with " loss and mitigation" managers? Again, Thanks so much for the help guys.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


Kool, you actually mean the " loss mitigation" department. They're the ones who deal with loans that are in default. If you're current on your payments, they won't yet be handling your loan. But, you can still call and talk to whoever you get and try to end up with the right person.

Loss mitigation is exactly who an investor would talk to about a short sale. They're the ones who approve the deal.

You might start with the third loan. If you do sell it for less than the total of the payoffs, the first mortgage will get paid first, then the second, then the third. Sounds like you're close to being able to pay them all off, so maybe the guy in back can take the pain. An investor might end up dealing with all three, but the second and third would get hit harder than the first. With two other loans, the first may expect all their money.

The price of the house has nothing to do with what you owe. Sorry, but that's the way it is. If you're pricing it based on your loans, you may be pricing it incorrectly. In many places, three months on the market is not very long. But, if you want to sell quickly, you'll have to price the house right based on recent sales and other houses on the market. If you overprice it to cover your loans, it may never sell at that price. You and your realtor friend need to figure out the price based on the market, without consideration of your payoffs.

Jon

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC



Thanks Jon,
I want to call, but not exactly sure what to say. " Hey, I am not going to pay my mortgage soon, I won't be able to afford it. This is why......" With the sale of the house I will definitely pay off the first, second, and third. I have called for my payoffs and we have went over my taxes. It will be close but I will be able to break even. Please let me know of hidden fees or cost I may have missed. We will have to recalculate, once I lower the price again. As you mentioned " price it to sell" . I do not have a lot of room to wiggle with, but thought it was priced to move. I am not trying to walk away with anything. I just want the house sold. When I mentioned lowering the price, I am talking about 2-3%. I still owe homeowners association dues too. If my asking price falls short of the third being paid off, can they still come after me for the money? Once again I cannot thank you enough for your help.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


Hi Kool,

You have hit a number of the items you'll have to pay when you sell. You'll also have to buy title insurance. These days, its very common for sellers to have to pay a portion of the buyers closing costs. While this doesn't directly affect the price you get, it does affect the buyers net cost and your net proceeds. If this is common in your area, you will be effectively pricing your house higher if you don't do this too. Your agent probably has a title company she will use for this transaction. Ask her to have them work up a preliminary HUD-1. That's the sheet you get at closing with all the details of the transaction. You should get this a few days before you close anyway, but it may help you out to have it now. That should be very close to what you would actually get.

Again, what you owe just doesn't matter when setting the price. I know that's weighing on your mind very heavily, but set it aside and take a hard look at the price. If houses are moving in your area, make yours the best deal in your neighborhood, and it should move quickly. If sales are really slow, you may have to make it a great deal to get it to move. But you MUST forget about what you owe when setting the price.

Then, see where that leaves you for net proceeds after the close. The three lenders will not let you close if you don't pay them off. So, there's really no question of them coming after you later. They will block the sale. Under normal circumstances in a situation like this you would have to bring money to the closing to make up the gap. Is that possible? Meaning, do you have or can you get the money to make this up? If you can, even if you have to borrow it, that will give you the best outcome. If not, at least one of the lenders is going to have to be convinced that you can't pay the money and have no chance of being able to pay them the money in the future. That's the discussion an investor would have with the lenders to negotiate the short sale.

Once you have a realistic price and your net proceeds, you'll know where you stand as far as paying off the loans. Hopefully, its just the third where you're going to come up short. Then, I'd call them up and say: " I'm trying to sell this house. When I do, I expect to be xxx short of being able to pay you off. I have no assets and no way get the money to make this up. What can we do?" Honestly, I have no idea how this conversation will go. If you owe them 50K and you're going to pay back 5K, it may go nowhere. If we're talking about 10K short out of 50K, it may go better. Maybe they will do a loan with you to pay off the shortage. Maybe they will get very nervous and start the foreclosure. But, it sounds like you're about to this point anyway.

Have you been getting showings? What has the feedback been? Do you have the place all cleaned up, decluttered, and painted and in move-in condition?

Jon

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC



It is very common that the buyer expects the seller to pay closing cost here in Ga. I do not have anything to bring to the closing table. Making the 3 payments is tough enough. I have been getting showings. In the 3 months on the market, I have had about 11 showings. Not a lot, but more than many in the neighborhood. The house is cleaned up. No fresh paint or anything. I could use a pressure wash on the exterior to brighten it up, but it is in great condition. I am the only occupant. Had it built. The 3rd is only for 15k. Just making an estimateed guess, I would be shorting them about 3k-4k. Again, I am going to use your methodology(spelling), " stop worrying about what I owe" . You are right, if I continue to focus on that, then I will price it incorrectly. That was my main focus. My realtor also mentioned that knowing the payoffs does not dictate the asking price. It almost sounds like by pricing my home to " sell quickly" , I am forcing them into a " short sale" ..correct?
Thanks so much Jon!!!!! :D


Real Estate Investor · Bethlehem, PA


Originally posted by "koolanddagang"
No fresh paint or anything. I could use a pressure wash on the exterior to brighten it up, but it is in great condition.

Why haven't you pressure washed it to make it look as nice as possible? Why not spend a weekend or two and put a fresh coat of paint with some new colors.......fresh, clean, new, priced exceptionally well, market the hell out of it, and it'll sell.


· York, PA


Hey Kool,

You asked:

It almost sounds like by pricing my home to " sell quickly" , I am forcing them into a " short sale" ..correct?

Not correct. Regardless of what price you get for your final sale (minus any seller concession you elect to give) you still owe the bank the full amount. Take out a personal loan or borrow from your family or what ever means you have available. If you can't make up the difference the banks won't let the sale close.

If all you will have is the money from the sale and the sale comes up short, you need to call them in advance as ask " What can we do if I come up $XXX short on the sale?" They now have the choice of taking the short hit or taking you to foreclosure. I know which one costs them less and so do they. But you need to call and ask first. Do not try to do this at closing.

Good Luck,

Jason


Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


Hello,
Did you know if you have a job with steady income, this is another way to stop your foreclosure? You can negotiate a loan work out or forbearance with your lender and get caught up and without further damaging your credit. You just need to show that you can afford the mortgage payments. However if you are not working at the moment but expect to be working soon you can file a chapter 13 and work out a payment plan until you get caught up. This will affect your credit but not a bad as if you become late on your payments or your accounts go to a collection agency. For more information on how to do a forbearance,please contact me



Thanks for the info.
I did not know about the forbearance. I want to get rid of it all together, but with the market being as slow as it is, this may be the next option to avoid the foreclosure. I am not going to fight the foreclosure for long though, it is frustrating enough trying to make the ends meet.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


Kool,
Do contact the lender and see what they can do to help you. Please don't get sucked into paying a " foreclosure consultant" anything to make this call for you. Here in CO, the law was changed to make it impossible for a foreclosure consultant to get any payment from a homeowner in foreclosure. Foreclosure consultants can still make contracts with homeowners, and try to work out solutions with the lenders. But, very specific disclosures are required, and those disclosures make it clear the homeowner can back out of the contracts with the consultant at any time and pay nothing, even after a deal has been worked out. Doing contracts without the disclosures can result in jail time. That should be the law everywhere, but it isn't.
Jon

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC



Thanks Jon,
I have notified my 1st, and they are trying to work with me. I am current on all 3 of them. This feels like putting a band-aid on a snake bite though. I am not dealing with any consultants. I do have a very interested buyer, please keep your fingers crossed for me guys!!!

Kool


Real Estate Investor · Palmdale, CA


Very interesting, just following the post.

Good luck to you. You have gotten some good advice.

I do not think gotten is a word, just a little humor.

E.


Real Estate Investor · Cleveland, OH


Is anyone in Kool's area? I'm asking because what I'm about to suggest may be a little complicated for a homeowner, but an investor could pull it off. Why not have an investor call his 2nd and 3rd? They could advise them of the " looming foreclosure" and probably lower those obligations real quick.

I'm only suggesting this because if I were to look at kool's house as an investor, that's exactly what I'd do. Short the 2nd and 3rd so after paying the first there would be some equity for me. As I said, just an idea, and maybe if his interested buyer comes through he won't need it.


M J

Real Estate Coach · Dorchester, MA


Originally posted by "kmmr12"
For more information on how to do a forbearance,please contact me

kmmr12, can you provide me with more information? i am a newbee, so i can't send private messages yet. Thanks in advance!




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