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We are a one-income family. I found a job out of state so last fall, we moved out of MI. We were able to rent the house out, but now our tenants have given us 30 days notice that they are going to move out, and we are scrambling trying to figure out what to do. The mortgage is a 80/20. For the past 6 years, we've always made our payments on time, never missed a payment. Now, we may or may not be able to find anyone to rent, and I want to find out what our other options may be.
We bought a house in our new state, and we don't have much in terms of assets, just plenty of debt. I want to do the right thing, and will try and pay the mortgage for the MI home as long as we can afford to, but not by using up all of our meager savings. Any advise?


Real Estate Investor · Mountain View, California


Unfortunately, it's too late for the *best* advice which would have been to avoid buying a new house before you sold your old one. You obviously aren't in a financial state to handle both and frankly, I'm surprised a bank was willing to finance that 2nd property if money is as tight as you say it is.

Regardless of how you got there, you are where you are and need to deal with it which is why you're asking for help. I think you need to put on the full-court press in order to (a) get a new tenant in your Michigan house ASAP to help you with near-term cash flow, and (b) also get it listed for sale ASAP. If a vacancy is going to be such a hardship for you, you really are in no position to be landlords and need to get out from under this property.

The one unknown, though I'm afraid I know the answer, is the market value of your Michigan property vs. the amount you owe. If you can get at least what you owe, selling is a no-brainer. However, the amount you are underwater could affect your ability to move on. I would advise saving your pennies, working another job, living frugally, until you have enough to bring to the closing table to get out from under this property. Another possibility, as bad as I'm sure you feel it sounds, is to turn around and sell your new home that you bought and start renting. That will save you quite a bit of money which you can put to use as you work to get yourselves out from under the Michigan house.

Good luck!


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Any chance you can sell the house in MI? How much is it realisitically worth and how much to you owe? A short sale might be an option.

If you're determined to keep this house, you need to scrape up some savings to deal with situations like you have now. Tenants moving out and having to make at least one payment with no help from the tenant is something you should expect. Its part of the landlording deal, unfortunately.

I'd get that sucker listed and sold, with a short sale if necessary, ASAP.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC



I took the job in KY because I knew that my company was going to start laying off people. A month after I left, my colleague was laid off, and since I quit, they didn't have to lay me off (I was told this by my then ex-boss). Yes, we owe more than the house is worth. It is, after all, Michigan. We couldn't afford to sell it last year for $50K less than what we owe, so we decided to rent it out. We can cover the rental for a few months without tenants, but not for very long. We actually have been frugal with our spending, saving as much as we can. I am the sole breadwinner for our family, I understand all too well the pressure. Which is why I left Michigan by my own choice rather than wait till I had no choice. Yes, we considered renting a house in KY, but we decided to make this our permanent home, and we had assistance from my new employer. We will probably be contacting a real estate agent to get the house listed, for sale and/or lease. We also plan to call our mortgage company to see if they will agree to a short sale. My husband is a stay at home dad with our daughter who is still a year away from kindergarten, and we cannot afford full-time daycare. We have no family to rely on. Our plan last year, was to hold onto the house in Michigan for a few years, until the market recovered enough for us to try and sell it without making a huge loss (like $50K). If we can, we will continue with that plan. Thanks for the advise.


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Unfortunately, its unlikely the market anywhere in the US will recover to the lofty peaks of 2003-2006 anytime in the next 20 years. If you purchased or refinanced during the boom years, you're going to have to wait a long time to get that equity back.

To top it off, its Detroit. Detroit is losing jobs like crazy, and its very unlikely those jobs will ever return. We see offers here almost every day for houses in Detroit for only a few grand. I assume yours is in a nicer area, but there is still an huge oversupply of houses in Detroit that's unlikely to be absorbed. I think you're better off selling now for whatever you can get. Most likely, its more than you will get anytime in the next five or 10 years.

The right thing to do is to figure out how to make up the difference. The lender might be willing to give you a loan for the shortage.

A short sale may be an alternative. If there are no assets for the lender to come after, you'll probably avoid a deficiency judgment. There are potentially tax consequences. Forgiven debt is treated as income by the IRS, and is taxable. There is a temporary exception for homeowners who have to sell their primary residence. Since you've bought another house, though, and turned this into a rental, that exception may no longer apply. There is also an exception if you can show the IRS you are insolvent. It would be worthwhile spending a little time with a knowledgeable CPA to be sure you understand the tax consequences.

A short sale will smack your credit hard. Is your current mortgage fixed rate? You say you have lots of debt. Credit card debt? If so, they will see the changes in your credit as a result of the short sale and will jack up your rates through the roof. Anyway you could dump every penny possible to the credit cards and get rid of them before you start the short sale?

Any way your husband could get a night job so he could care for the kids during the day and you at night? Or, could you get a second job?

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC



We were hoping that if we sold the house in a few years, our losses would be less than they are now. We've contacted a realtor and ask him to help prepare a market appraisal. We are pretty sure we know what it is going to be. My husband is going to contact our lender tomorrow. I did find out a few months ago, that our loan is being held my Freddie Mac, and not by the bank that we are making our payments to, but I'm not sure that it matters.
Yes, the house is in a nicer area, north of Detroit and in the suburbs. We pay our credit cards off every month. Our debts include 2 car loans, a student loan, and of course, 2 mortgages. The current mortgage for our house is fixed. The new job came with a generous relocation package, which helped us purchase the new house without having to pay too much out of pocket. It was one of the reasons I took the job. We have been saving as much as we can. I won't be able to get a second job, but my husband could get a night job. There are some challenges there that I can't go into here. But, we will look into that too. Hindsight is 20/20 - we probably should have gotten rid of the house last year, but we were happy we found tenants, and thought they would stay longer as we were in the midst of arranging for some repairs for them, in preparation for the coming winter, but they just informed us that they are moving out last week. We have 2 months to find a tenant, or to get rid of the house. It is not a lot of time, so we are going to have to make some decisions soon. Whatever assets we have (cash, belongings etc) would not be enough to cover the difference/loss we will have with selling the house now (roughly $50K to $60K). We purchased the house in 2003. I know that our credit will take a beating, but we are not looking to purchase a home or make any big purchases anytime soon, so we are hoping that we can "live with it" for a while.


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


That doesn't sound so bad, then. You should be able to avoid getting jerked around by any of your creditors.

Freddie Mac is the "owner" of your loan. The bank you're sending the payments to is the "servicer." Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are the two main buyers of mortgages on the "secondary market". The bank who originally made the loan sold the loan to Freddie Mac. Freddie Mac is the one who will ultimately have to approve the short sale, but you should start the process with the servicer. You'll need the broker you're using (interview several) to prepare a BPO - broker price opinion to show what the property is worth now. You provide this to the servicer, along with an explanation of why you can't pay, to convince them to take the short sale.

Not sure if they will agree or not. Unfortunately, your reasons aren't the best ones. Had you been laid off, forced to move, had big medical expenses, etc., you'd probably have a better shot. Since you voluntarily went into this situation, they're going to have less sympathy. Nevertheless, its worth a shot at getting them to accept the short sale. Perhaps they would consider a partial short where you agree to pay something, but they forgive part of the debt.

You're not going to sell it in two months. Even in a very hot market, that would be difficult, just because of the time it takes to get a contract and then to close. I don't think there is any worse market than Detroit right now. If you want to try to move it quickly, tell the broker you want a price that will generate a contract within 90 days. You can reinforce that by only doing a 90 day listing agreement.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC



Jon, thanks for the helpful advise. I haven't slept well the last 2 nights thinking about this. There will be more sleepless nights to look forward to, I am sure :-)
One option we talked about is getting a loan for the difference/loss if we sell it ourselves. And if my husband can get a job, then it would help pay off that loan. I thought I was being prudent by taking another job before I lost mine. I'm just not the type to sit around and wait for that to happen, especially if I can do something about it.
Thanks again for answering my posts.


Real Estate Investor · Charlotte, North Carolina


Debra where is the home located? How much do you owe on the home? How many bedrooms and baths does the home have. I will send my realtor by to take a look at the home for me. You can call or email me. my email and phone number are in my signature block.



An update - we contacted our loan servicer and they advised us to try for a short sale. They are also sending us a "packet". (presumably information about short sales) We are getting ready to list the house today. If we had known about this last year, we would have tried the short sale because we were offered (a very low price) by the relocation company and we didn't think we could cover the losses on our own.


Real Estate Investor · Newport Beach, California


This is a Non-Owner - It does not fall into any of the government relief programs

Be careful - your lender has two options in a short sale depending on MI state laws...
1. Deficiency judgment
2. 1099 - C

It's a non-owner / you will owe taxes on the amount your claimed deficient (deficiency balance) There are steps you need to take to protect yourself prior to the sale and before tax season comes....

Look into insolvency and try to get the short sale approval from the lender to state that a judgment WILL NOT be issued. Also, if they come back and want you to sign a promissory note - say no!

Michigan
Security Instrument: Mortgage / Trust Deed
Judicial: Yes
Non-Judicial: Yes
Initial Public Notice: Publication
Time Frame: 60 days
Redemption Period: 1 to 3 Months
Deficiency: Dependant on individual situation


Real Estate Investor · Indiana, Indiana


Have you tried handing it over to a real estate agent for a land contract sale?


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