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Real Estate Investor · Indianapolis, IN


I was contacted today from somone who states that they filed Chapter 13 on May20th and on May 21st Chase sold the house to Fanny Mae. He ask me if he had a case here? I told him he probably did but, I am not an attorney. He stated that he also called Chase and the Sherrifs office to inform them of the sale as well.


Note Investor · Tempe, Arizona


Any foreclosure filing done before the foreclosure sale automatically puts a stay on the foreclosure. If the foreclosure moved forward in error, the sale will have to be reversed.


Real Estate Investor · Nevada City, California


Chase selling the loan to Fannie is different from selling the house.


Real Estate Investor · Indianapolis, IN


How is that? Just wondering.


Real Estate Investor · Indianapolis, IN


Wouldn't Fannie Mae have to go through the normal foreclosure steps even if it were different?


Real Estate Investor · Kalispell, Montana


A foreclosure auction might also be loosely interpreted as Chase selling the home to Fannie Mae.
If Fannie was the investor holding the note and Chase was just servicing the note the deed will not go to Chase but to "National Federal Mortgage" (I think I got it right) which is Fannie. So the owner may be right even though the home really wasn't technically sold but Fannie took the deed back through foreclosure.


Real Estate Investor · Kalispell, Montana


Originally posted by Don Konipol
Any foreclosure filing done before the foreclosure sale automatically puts a stay on the foreclosure. If the foreclosure moved forward in error, the sale will have to be reversed.

Don,
I assume you mean...Any BK filing done before the foreclosure sale.....?

Real Estate Investor · Indianapolis, IN


They brought the paper work to me the other day. Even though I told them there was not much I can do because I have never dealt with foreclosures. They had filed BK chapter 13. Then Chase went ahead with the auction and Fanny bought the house. I don't understand it but, that is what was done. Fanny told them to get out and then when told they had filed chpt. 13 was told to hold off by the realtor.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


Fannie Mae would not "buy" the house at foreclosure. Fannie Mae was the investor. That is, they owned the loan. Chase was the servicer. They collected the payments, dealt with the borrower and probably actually dealt with the foreclosure proceeding. Nobody bid at auction, and FM took the house as a REO.

Should the foreclosure have proceeded given they had filed chapter 13 bankruptcy? Don't know. They must have a bankruptcy lawyer and that lawyer should be able to advise them.

Hopefully they're aren't relying on a Realtor for legal advise. Realtors sell houses, lawyer's give legal advise. They should be listening to their lawyer.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Kalispell, Montana


Well said Jon.


Real Estate Investor · Indianapolis, IN


I agree and I am not giving them advice. And when they first approached me I told them this. I was just wondering for my sake.


Real Estate Investor · Audubon, Pennsylvania


The act of foreclosing on a property is a form of "debt collection". In bankruptcy, there is what is called an "automatic stay" that prohibits debt collection activity by creditors from proceeding (usually only until a "plan" has been presented to the BK court). Of course, it becomes necessary to inform the creditors of the bankruptcy filing; once that happens, they usually back off and wait for discharge or the more common dismissal of the bankruptcy.

IMO, the bankruptcy attorney should be aware of how to proceed - this stuff happens in their practice.

A few months back I was at the sheriff sale for my county. A certain property was going to foreclosure; the sheriff asked the "attorney on the writ" (the lender's attorney) for a bid. Attorney replied that he had recieved a call that the defendant had said they were filing bankruptcy, and that he was awaiting for the FAX confirmation of that to be sent to his office; he then requested that his case be deferred to the end of the sale to allow for the confirmation to happen. That FAX apparently never came, and it was auctioned at the end. But this shows that the debt collection activity is deliberately avoided if there is a true bankruptcy, and not just somebody saying so just to postpone the matter.


Commercial Real Estate Broker · Canton, Georgia


Yes just because the bank went through with the foreclosure does not mean it is VALID.

If the proper foreclosure process wasn't followed,information on the documents was inaccurate,or BK was filed a judge will deem the foreclosure NULL and VOID.

Many times people file the last day of foreclosure and that creates an "automatic stay" protection for the property.

These banks get the notices but sometimes the paperwork gets lost or misplaced.

You are right in that the attorney for the bank won't stop without proof for conformation.That doesn't make the BK filing any less valid because the bank lost the document or the BK attorney did not give them notice.




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