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Matt Salazar

Real Estate Investor from Texas

May 10 '10, 11:17 PM
1 vote


I have an Ex wife who will be taking me to court in the near future, I am trying to structure my business entities for that. Any good ideas?


Edited Jun 26 2010, 12:47


Bill Gulley

Real Estate Investor from Springfield, Missouri

May 10 '10, 11:47 PM
5 votes


Hi, no one wants to stay away from an X more than I do and I understand you guys wanting not to pay alimony, especially if she is shacked up, but really! If it's child sipport, take responsibility!
There is no legal way to hide money, not with an business entity, not with any off shore account, no trust, there is just no way to hide it legally! Don't believe me? It's called money laundering, tax evasion and perjury when the question asked in court is "How much do you make?" Simple, own up to it. If you don't want to pay anything for five years don't make anything! If you owe it you will pay it eventually, so get it over with and pay her off. See if you can get a lump sum payment to get her off your back. There are ticked off father/husband sites to address marital problems. Good luck, Bill


Edited Jun 26 2010, 12:47


Matt Salazar

Real Estate Investor from Texas

May 10 '10, 11:57 PM
1 vote


Well straight and to the point. I like that!! Maybe I'm not being more detailed. I pay childsupport. "I render unto ceasar what is cesar's" I just have been told that using business structures allows you to have more write offs. The little that I have done with LLC's, I have come to believe that. All im trying to do here is learn from more seasoned individuals. We spoke a lil about this last night. I dont want anyone to know what I own. I have been told that is possible. I want to know how to legally accopmlish that so that I can focus 100% on aquiring property.


Edited Jun 26 2010, 12:47


Bill Gulley

Real Estate Investor from Springfield, Missouri

May 11 '10, 12:15 AM


Hi, yes I understand and I'm glad to hear you are willing to pay Cesar, but what you are not getting is that when you go to court, and you might go back several times in the future, her attorney only has to ask you what you make and you need to tell the truth. Because after he asks that, he can have the court pull your tax returns, bank records, real estate deeds, contracts, notes, etc. At that point if you lied in the first place, the judge will be gunning for you too.
The type of business you have has nothing to do with writing off expenses, unless you want to have a C corporation and be tax twice....
You can have a strategy of saying making capital improvements to your properties, spend money to put a nicer roof on, landscape that MH park, repave the road, etc. this will reduce you income. If you don't want people to know what properties you have, I wouldn't post them on the internet! I have knew a guy that put all of his assets in his family's name and worked for them for an hourly wage and was just plain poor. He had a contract to purchase properties but was not in title and did not receive the income, which was held in a trust by his parents for him later on. So, he skated by, but then again, he really couln't finance a kool aid stand either. The othger school of thought might be to go forward and make as much money as you can, child support is usually set by statute and alimony, if any, can only go up so much if your income is made after the divorce. So, if you make a million, so what, you can afford the better attorney and just pay her off and move on. Maybe there are others here who will chime in on your plight...those are basically my suggestions. Good Luck, Bill


Edited Jun 26 2010, 12:48


Matt Salazar

Real Estate Investor from Texas

May 11 '10, 12:50 AM


I really appreciate your input. I like the idea of my family having everything... I'm gonna look into it. And by the way there is no way to proove that I own that trailer park.


Edited Jun 26 2010, 12:48


Bill Gulley

Real Estate Investor from Springfield, Missouri

May 11 '10, 12:53 AM
1 vote


LOL! Other than you telling the whole world you did on the internet! Good luck, Bill


Edited Jun 26 2010, 12:48


Ingrid Nagy Donor

Property Manager from Passaic, New Jersey

May 17 '10, 06:43 PM
1 vote


Can't run from the ex. I'm living proof. LLC's were of no help to me-subjected to full forensic accounting and tons of legal bills. Judge looked at me and said "ma'm, you married him - if he made a lot less than you that's your problem. If you bought properties and he didn't contribute or help that's your problem. you acquired it during marriage and in this State its 50/50."


Edited Jun 26 2010, 12:51


Robert Dobbs

Real Estate Investor from State of Florida, Florida

Oct 17 '10, 10:15 AM


Originally posted by Matt Salazar:
I have an Ex wife who will be taking me to court in the near future, I am trying to structure my business entities for that. Any good ideas?

Try and "stay away from Court".

Work something "out of Court" with the ex-wife. If she will not work directly with you, try to find someone else that she may work with in your behalf.

Otherwise. Good luck!

P.S. If you decide to "stuff your mattress", pleeeeeeze do not post it here (your "ex" may be reading this forum too?) Just kidding! LOL!

Bob Dobbs
Land Rescue League LLC



Vikram C. Donor

Real Estate Investor from Phoenix, Arizona

Oct 17 '10, 11:18 AM
3 votes


Matt, I am afraid the other posters are wrong on some counts. It is true that you should not lie under oath. But there are ways to tell the truth and show that you do not have much assets or income, depending on what you wish to accomplish.

Exactly what is it that you wish to accomplish, though? Are you trying to prove that your assets are not worth much for the purpose of an asset division? Or are you trying to prove that your income is not much, for the purpose of spousal support or child support? In addition, what is your primary asset or source of income? These are important questions in planning your strategy and I am afraid you will have to shell out some money to find a good lawyer who specializes in this stuff in order to discuss the details of your situation and the most appropriate course of action. Sometimes, the most appropriate course of action would be to do nothing, while in other instances it could be to do something fairly complex. It is hard to provide this type of consulting service in a forum because it does take a fairly in-depth analysis of your situation to suggest solutions.



Charles Perkins

Landlord from Seattle, Washington

Oct 17 '10, 11:48 AM
1 vote


I would have to agree with Vikram. Without knowing the answers to several questions it would be hard to prove good advice. Talking about this on an open forum probably is not a good idea either.

If you haven't already, I would suggest getting a good attorney. You may need to consult with several because you have several issues to address.



James Hiddle

Wholesaler from Altus, Oklahoma

Oct 17 '10, 02:03 PM
2 votes


This is why you get a pre nup seriously.

Also you might want to check out an asset protection lawyer some specialize in asset protection relating to divorce.



Will Barnard Moderator Donor

Real Estate Investor from Santa Clarita, California

Oct 17 '10, 02:08 PM


Once answrs are posted to Vikrams questions, we can be better informed to assist you.

One thing that has eluded all so far is that an LLC is a "pass-through" entity and as such, gives you no tax benefits at all. (aqt least not the LLC itself)

However, as a RE investor with an entity (LLC, S-corp, or other) you can deduct business expenses such as auto, office, travel, depreciation, ammortization, etc and reduce your taxable income, but in divorce court, count on the opposing attorney to argue to add back in any paper losses.

Best advice is to settle out of court. The only winners in court are the lawyers!



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Vikram C. Donor

Real Estate Investor from Phoenix, Arizona

Oct 17 '10, 02:37 PM
1 vote


I just want to clarify that I do not want Matt to answer the questions that I had asked. I merely meant to show that those factors play a role in the final solution for him. He should discuss it privately with his advisors and not here in the forum.



Matt Salazar

Real Estate Investor from Texas

Oct 18 '10, 06:47 AM


I really appreciate the input guys. I have settled outside of court but I would like to prepare for the future just in case she decides to come after me again.



Brysen Heath

Real Estate Investor from Grand Blanc, Michigan

Oct 18 '10, 07:19 AM


If you can just settle up and give her what the court decides. After the divorce there is no law preventing you from starting another company and working out of that entity. Dangerous decision to post this on the internet though, I hope this feed gets cancelled and no one gets subpoenaed.



Reid Mayo

Nashville, Tennessee

Oct 18 '10, 07:55 AM


First of all Matt. For the love of god, why do people think the internet is anonymous anymore? This isn't 1995. The internet is quite the opposite these days. Basically everything on the net is trackable if someone cares enough.

You don't have to be a "super l33t hacker" or anything like that. Honestly all most internet detective work takes common sense.

You know what I would do if I was a lawyer and got your case? The FIRST thing I would do? I would google your name, city, state.

Guess what happens when you google "Matt Salazar San Angelo tx"? Just click the link below...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=matt+salazar+san+angelo+tx

Oh, and while I'm at it, hello Matt's ex's attorney. I know you are reading this.

Next time use a throwaway account...



Matt Salazar

Real Estate Investor from Texas

Oct 18 '10, 11:19 AM
1 vote


wow thats crazy!!! I had no idea? Makes sense tho.... haha. Too bad I dont own anything



Reid Mayo

Nashville, Tennessee

Oct 18 '10, 11:57 AM


Well now you know :-)

also, check out http://pipl.com. Kind of scary what you can pull up on people. I don't have much of a history yet though so good luck finding anything interesting about me lol :-)


Edited Oct 24 2010, 07:06 by Administrator: Fixed link


Mary Cronin

Real Estate Investor from Stockton, California

Oct 20 '10, 12:53 AM


I've heard the adage: own nothing, control everything

Though in practice, I've only met one person who managed it. Many years ago I worked in a law firm whose client did that. He was of middle eastern persuasion and had divorced his wife 20 years earlier, but they still shared the house - he had one wing, she had the other. She and their children (all adults) owned all the property he had acquired over 40 years of investing and to all intents and purposes he was judgment proof. BUT he managed all of it. It was used for security for loans and I don't know what else.

Short of being in a culture that allowed that I don't know how one would. Do you trust anyone enough to title all your property in their name but have control of it?

I suppose if you look at Donald Trump, probably most of his property is in LLCs, LLPs, Corporations and who knows what else.

I suppose that it helps to have assets. (The gentleman above went from $200. to $200M in about 25 years.)



Justin Roney

Real Estate Investor from Nashville, Tennessee

Oct 20 '10, 01:36 AM


Originally posted by Matt Salazar:
I really appreciate the input guys. I have settled outside of court but I would like to prepare for the future just in case she decides to come after me again.

Matt, Thats awesome that you were able to settle it out of court and i understand that you want to protect yourself for later down the road in the case of and event. I was just recently talking with a very smart business friend about asset protection. An LLC. can own and LLC. which can own a trust that also owns a trust may it be an offshore accout etc.. Do some research this is an example of what he has done with his company and is not in any way legal advise from me. There are many ways to structure a company to protect assets my best advise that i can give you is to talk with an asset protection manager and attourneys. Best of luck.



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