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Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


I've received some PMs and e-mails asking about setting goals and what do I do in retirement. I've ressurrected an old blog from nearly a year ago that was done in 2 parts. We have SO many new members, I decided to post a thread here. Hope it generates some thoughts and plans for BP members. We get a lot of negative info these days. I just want to give you some ideas of how retirement can come quicker than you think with proper planning.


As one who has actually retired and seen LOTS of other retirees, lets' dispell some BS first. You read a lot of mags that talk about how much you need to retire or % of last income needed. I find those articles just plain silly. They must be written by east coast idiots that have never been out of Manhattan. Not all retirees want the same thing out of life. People think it takes millions of dollars.Baloney.

If I told you that you could retire on social security, play golf every day of the week as much as you wanted, eat out often and travel when you wanted , would that dispell the misnomer that it would take millions? What if I told you I've seen it? By LOTS of people. Oh, and play tennis,swim, volleyball, and attend any cragt class you wanted and do it with hundreds of others of like minds, would you be interested?

There are 2 costs involved here. One to get your lifestyle set up and another to pay for it monthly.

Cost # 1- You need a place or multiple places to live. Here is an example of some friends. They have 2 SMALL homes. One is a home on a lake in MN(go figure) and the other is in Casa Grande AZ. The one in MN is a small manufactured home that cost them about 45K when they retired. It is on its' own lot. The other is located in Palm Creek Golf and RV. It is a Park Model home with 1 BR, bath, lr, and kitchen---on the 10th hole of THe Creek golf course. This is on a rented lot and they pay $500 per month. That includes gated community, all the swimming, tnnis, bike riding etc at no charge- the golf is an additional fee. They spend winters in AZ and summers in MN. Surprised?? It cost them less than 100K to acquire both homes. Doug, the husband is a retired Pastor and they live on social security. Not a bad life

Cost # 2- Monthly expenses. AZ is approx $650 per month including utilities for residence. MN is less than that. Add the additional living expenses and they thoroughly enjoy life.

I know Palm Creek Golf and RV resort in AZ well. I own a little get-away there on the 18th green of The Creek course. I rent it out forJan-Mar or so and it pays the expenses for the year. If I want to spend time in it during winter or srping/fall, my time is free. Look up Palm Creek if you want a nice place to visit or live. You'll meet folks from all over the western states and western provinces of Can. A wonderful way to live and VERY cheap. You want even cheaper? Work a few hours in the park in exchange for free golf etc.

I need to mention one other way to retire cheap. Check out WORKKAMPERS. Google it. This is an organization that lists places you can spend 3-9 months in with your motorhome or 5th wheel and work for the rent, live for no out of pocket cost. We have friends that work in the gift shop or oversee the computers in Yellowstone for free motorhome space. There are thousands of places to go. It is a cheap way to see the country.

This previous info was for RVers. My wife and I did it for about 6 years and absolutely loved it. First in a 36' motorhome and then pulling a 40 foot 5th wheel with 4 dlide outs. This baby was nicer than many homes! It had french doors to the den. Den had fireplace, desk area and surround sound! The kitchen had skylights, his and her refrigerators, and central vaccuum! If we didn't like our neighbors, we just MOVED the rig!! This allowed us to see many places in U.S. and Canada and meet great new friends.

In my next installment, some personal experiences in what I like to call, "Live life to the fullest for under $2000 per month. " This cost includes TWO people. Retirement could be closer than you think.

Until next time, Rich.


Real Estate Investor · Southlake, Texas


Thanks Rich. Mrs. Tod and I are working for a modest home on substantial acreage in the Hill Country of Texas. Not the cheapest, so location could change. We have one child going into college and one a junior in high school. After they are on their own, then it will be time for us to decide how soon we want to go. Once there, we both will live modestly.

However, the thought of two modest homes would sound interesting to my wife. That way we could see each other twice a year as we pass each other on the highway when switching locations...

Small_screen_shot_2011-03-24_at_8.39.20_pmTod R., Thompson Realty Corporation
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Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


Hey you must have beat me by mico seconds....LOL, I should have thought of that in my plan, hmmm, well did that for awhile too come to think of it, the passing each other thing....very funny!Rich, looking forward to hearing your definition of retirement....I think I made about 70% of my piggy bank/retirement plan in the last 10 years, maybe 7 years, but took awhile to get to that point. Now I kick myself for not working harder, because about the last three years I only really worked a half a day of less. Put the phone on call forward and went to the lake. At 52, I was out of there! I use to travel, but turned into a homebody....although I have this crosscountry bike/boat thing going in my head. I don't think I want to work when I get someplace, If I don't like it or get bored, just move on....but you are right, you have to plan your retirement early on. I set up notes just for that purpose, it's no harder than going to the bank, (I sold the problems and kept the good stuff). I'd like to hear how you structured your retirement, as I know you were in the hard er side of the business, briks and mortor, buy and hold, I think anyway. Before I took the leap, my goal was to payoff everthing I wanted..homes, cars, boats and toys as well as got myself into paying charge cards off at the end of each month (good habit to have). Then, take off! Have a good one! Bill


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Bill- the key is to cut expenses to nada. You are already there as far as loan payments. No car loans, toys, credit cards etc. That is a HUGE first step that most people can't bring themselves to accomplish.
Once that is under control, then you determine what amount you have for ongoing monthly expenses. Either you live a lifestyle for that amount, or you keep working to generate more income for the monthly expenses.
When wifey and I got ready for our last kid to leave home, we determined to have 2 homes. We bought a lot in Liberty Lake , WA on the 18th green of Meadowood golf course. We designed a new home to be built. We then signed for a new home to be built in a gated community , Siena, Las Vegas. Each home would have been around 400K. We would live in each 6 months a year.
After considering this, we decided that was a really stupid way to go. We took off in a motorhome to try and find ONE location that would be acceptable to both of us. I like cooler, wifey likes warmer.We hunted the western states and provinces of Canada, and came up empty.
Found a nice golf community in a RV and small home resort in Casa Grande AZ. Bought a little home on a golf course, 18th green. Still own it. That was great for the winter. Then bought a nice big fifth wheel and went hunting for summer spot. Found a great place in NO CAlif and joined a golf club.
I couldn't believe how inexpensive this was. More to come in part 2 tomorrow.
The only other item you have to calculate into the retirement is taxes you'll pay by having no write offs left for offsets. I've prided myself on planning for as little tax consequence as possible and have done well on that. MUST calculate that in. It can be done for less than you think. Rich


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Tod- Plan ahead! My wife and I were out on the road FOUR days after our last of 6 kids left home. We actually helped encourage him to graduate High School early, receive a scholarship and told him good bye.
The kids had our phone #, and e-mail address and we were on our way. Another bonus, kids couldn't return back home! Rich


Banker · Tampa Area, Florida


i think some of this works for your generation. numbers show that my generation won't have social security to fall back on. i hope everyone enjoys it while it lasts!

with that being said, i am planning on not having that to fall back on by loading into my ira and 401k. IF there is some sort of social security, then it will be just gravy.....and i loooove me some gravy!

looking forward to hearing more rich!


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Good point Josh- I'd say the majority of the RVers we met in 6 years were NOT living on their social security. Pensions, (which may not exist), investments,(which may not...), savings,(which may....),etc. were their method of surviving. Rich


Real Estate Investor · North of Dallas, Texas


Great topic Rich, good to hear that the conventional wisdom regarding retirement is a bunch of hooey.

I was on track to have our personal residence and both rental properties paid off well before I hit 60 (I'm 53 now). The goal was to have 0 debt and a decent pile of cash and equities, then live off rental income and savings/investments.

Plans changed when we found and purchased the home we had always dreamed of - suffice it to say that someone else's loss was our gain.

This change in residence has really put the squeeze on my plans since we went up about $230K in home.

Plans have not changed, still shooting for 60 at the latest to have everything paid off (all we owe on is Real Estate - all cars, toys etc are paid for and all charge cards are paid in full every month).

Worst case, we can downsize when the time comes to cut the living expenses, but we really like our new place, as do the kids and grandkids. New place is in the country on a couple acres, with huge trees, a creek in the back, open ground for playing, horse stalls and pasture, unbelievable amount of garage / shop space and a nice house for the wife.

It's a little slice of heaven, but it's really put me behind the 8 ball to get it, along with the rentals we own, all paid off before I hit 60.

I'm confident I'll get it done, and maybe even add another rental or two along the way.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Kevin- Great job!! (till going up 230K on residence) In TX, that must be a GREAT home. My wifey just put her foot down and made me buy her a house here in FL. 4br, 3 ba, office THREE CAR GARAGE(I needed 5 car), spa on a lake, 2400 sq.ft, single level on a small lake --for TOTAL of 210K! Oh well, as I tell people about wives, you can't live without them and you can't shoot them! Rich.
part 2 coming


Real Estate Investor · North of Dallas, Texas


Yeah, it's a pretty nice place, not your typical home by any means.

Original owner was a car nut, so it has plenty of garage space (11+). 3 car attached to house, 8 car+ across driveway with full bath and attached diner.

All of the garages are fully insulated, the 4 car part of the 8 car garage has central heat and air.

Flooring in the 8 car garage is all black and white tile in checkerboard pattern. The finish out in these garages goes well beyond the finish out of most homes.

Home has an attached fully enclosed Pool/Spa with retractable roof.

We use the 4 car portion of the garage (could easily hold 6 cars) as a huge gameroom. Bath is in that portion of the garage, diner is connected to it as well.

Original owner put a boat load of money in the place, market couldn't come close to supporting what he had in it.

It for sure wasn't the best financial move with regards to retirement. But it's a home that exceeded every expectation we had for a place.

This should be our final personal residence. Only way I can see selling it would be if our finances fell apart or at some point we decide it costs too much to carry (taxes etc).

It's a one-off property that just happened to exactly match what we wanted in a property (and then some). Market conditions put it within our reach.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Congrats Kevin! I would've had to use ALL my discipline to not fall for that if I was in Dallas. Instead, I bought a small house(relatively speaking) and a 557 unit self storage facility, for my other toys! Rich


Real Estate Investor · North of Dallas, Texas


557 units - that should allow plenty of space for whatever toys you might accumulate, and still have plenty of units left over for some cash flow to boot.

Nice!


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


This thread is going the wrong way. From a thread on retiring on limited resources, we're now discussing the opposite end of the spectrum. Back to original intent of thread. Retiring on limited income . That includes tax planning which will be Part 3, coming soon. Rich


Real Estate Investor · Southlake, Texas


I'm assuming medical insurance is one of the largest expenses for those retiring early. How did you handle this? It's just a another cost you budget for?

Small_screen_shot_2011-03-24_at_8.39.20_pmTod R., Thompson Realty Corporation
Telephone: 817-781-1942
Website: http://www.thompson-realty.com
radyakllc@gmail.com http://www.thompson-realty.com


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Tod- others should chime in here also, because I'm NOT as confident of what I've done in this area as I am in most areas.
1. I have an estate with trusts for first to die. No taxes. When 2nd dies, some taxes are triggered. My wife didn't want the estate to shrink, so she REQUIRED us to buy a term life ins policy to pay all taxes and leave estate in tact for the future generations.
2. Cheap catastrophy medical insurance through AARP. It has high deductible and we domicile in SD due to really CHEAP premiums for south dakotians
3. Long term care insurance.

No life ins on wife. Again, I studied a lot on this subject and decided to go with the above. I gave a very general review of it. Hope this helps and hope others chime in. Rich


Real Estate Investor · Studio City, California


Rich, once again, you are my hero. This is the second time I read this post (I read it when you originally post it) and I enjoyed it at least as much. You are right, In October of 2009 Money Magazine dedicated the entire issue to retirement (I still have it...) it was titled "4 steps to a great retirement" It listed Stocks, Finances, Social Security and Income (Strangely enough, not a word on real estate). If I to believe everything I read in that issue - I have no hope. Despite my retirement plan of the Directors Guild of America, my six investment SFRs, my own Residence in Studio City, CA and projected social security income, I am not near accomplishing what is needed to retire (According to them)...
Well, I'm glad you put things in perspective. It seems to me that most of that nonsense was concocted by retirement funds managers and some others who make their living off retirement plans.

Now, all we have to hope is that country would not be bankrupt when retirement time comes... :cry:


Landlord · Seattle, Washington


I'm assuming medical insurance is one of the largest expenses for those retiring early. How did you handle this? It's just a another cost you budget for?

Tod I'm using a high deductible medical insurance plan with a health savings account (HSA). If you plan ahead and are healthy, it is possible to grow the health savings account significantly to pay future medical expenses.

An HSA can be self directed like an IRA or 401K, but money is not taxed that goes in or out of the account. You can invest in the same kinds of assets in a self-directed HSA as you would a self-directed retirement plan.


Real Estate Investor · North of Dallas, Texas


I opted for the HDHP (High Deductible Health Plan) through work as well. Every year I max out the HSA deposit, then pay any medical expenses out of pocket, leaving the HSA to grow. Wife and I are both healthy and annual medical expense are very low.

My plan is to continue adding the max allowed to the HSA over the years and just let it continue to build.

At some point, perhaps the HSA will grow enough that it can cover most if not all medical expenses without needing additional deposits.

In other words, I'm treating the HSA as a retirement account that I plan on not touching until well into the future.

By the time I start pulling from it, I'm hoping it will be self sufficient, or close to it anyway.


Real Estate Investor · North of Dallas, Texas


Interesting that in this US News and World Report article about sources of retirement income, Rents and Royalties are listed last.

http://finance.yahoo.com/focus-retirement/article/109508/the-10-biggest-sources-of-retirement-income?mod=fidelity-livingretirement

Quote from article:


While it is generally not a good idea to make rental income the centerpiece of your retirement finances, it can make up a good portion of your retirement income. Says Rowling: "If you have real estate as a supplement to an investment portfolio and IRAs and other retirement income, then that can be a very good thing."

Real Estate Investor · Southlake, Texas


Interesting, Kevin. I would think it should be a significant part of a retirement plan. If a RE investor is interested in retiring, wouldn't this be a more stable source of cash flow?

Small_screen_shot_2011-03-24_at_8.39.20_pmTod R., Thompson Realty Corporation
Telephone: 817-781-1942
Website: http://www.thompson-realty.com
radyakllc@gmail.com http://www.thompson-realty.com




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