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Real Estate Investor · Orlando, Florida


I have a credit partner in mind. He's actually my brother. My credit is pretty good for my age like 730's but i don't have the income. (in college). My brother has the income and credit score. I;m looking to put together a proposal to have him take a look at.

I know I need to explain to him how I would use his credit. But my question is what kind of return should i offer him for using his credit?

What is the down side and good side of having multipule mortgages under one or two names?

Him and I are going to be on the title and possibley mortgage?? I just need him to show income to get approve for financing.

Jarci


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


If you're going to use his credit (income, really), he will certainly be on the mortgage.

What if he wants to buy a house or something on his own?

What if this deal goes south and damages his credit rating?

Do you want to continue to be friendly at family gatherings? If so, I'd find someone else. Or, just wait until you have income.

For all practical purposes, he's the "money partner" in this deal. The usual split is 50% of the profits to the money partner.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Orlando, Florida


Originally posted by Jon Holdman
If you're going to use his credit (income, really), he will certainly be on the mortgage.

What if he wants to buy a house or something on his own?

What if this deal goes south and damages his credit rating?

Do you want to continue to be friendly at family gatherings? If so, I'd find someone else. Or, just wait until you have income.

For all practical purposes, he's the "money partner" in this deal. The usual split is 50% of the profits to the money partner.

He has a home already. I truely don't believe the deal will go south, im buying REO and buying and holding. I was thinking about 10 percetn when i get money back from closing (funds I would used to fix up to rent out) and when the market regains I would market and sell it. He would then get 20percent of the profits. why 50 percent when I'm doing all the work??? I have the credit but not the income.
thanx soo mcuh for your reply. How would this go about putting it in an LLC?

jarci


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


If you can get him to accept 20%, good for you. I'm just telling you the normal split when one person does all the work and the other puts up all the money (which is what your brother is doing), is for the money guy to get the 50% of all profits. Why? Because the money guy has numerous opportunities to invest their money.

If you're going to buy and hold, read in the Rental Property forum about the 50% rule (expenses are 50% of rent) if you want to avoid your deal going south.

Buy and hold is not a short term money maker. If you do things really well you might clear $100 a month. You really need to have some cash in hand to handle the problems that inevitably crop up. For example, a tenant just bugged out on Friday. No rent for April. I'll have to pay utilities. I have to have the carpet cleaned. I'll still have the payment with the taxes and insurance. I have to deal with showing the property and screening the new tenant. Yes, I have a deposit, but it doesn't cover the lost rent and other expenses.

Sounds like you're going to be doing hard money. Keep in mind you'll have to hold it for a while, paying the hard money interest. You and your brother will have to refi. That may take some time and will have expenses. They will want to see your brothers DTI, and may not count the rental income. So, be sure he has enough income to qualify for the loan even without the income from the rental.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Orlando, Florida


Ohh ok gotcha. To protect him from unforseable things I can add him as a member to my LLC and put the LLC name as the buyer. Will he be more protected than w/o the LLC. I'm looking to buy REO, wholesale some, keep others for rentals it really depends on the property.

I understand that buy and hold is not a short term money maker. I truly belive that Ill have sufficent cash to pay for this if and when things go array.

say for instance i like a REO house. Ive done my HW. The house the bank is trying to sell is 45k but i take out a mortage of75k. approx. 30k will come back to me correct? I would use that to bring the home rentable and set aside money just in case a renter does bail out.

What a DTI?? hard money I'll use for short term no long term. interest is more than a mortage interest.

Thanx for your time and adivce Jon. I'm taking everything into account.


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


If you buy a REO for $45K, it will be difficult to get a mortgage for $75K. You will need to use hard money. The ARV (after repair value) would need to be at least $110K, maybe even more if the lender's in FL have a lower LTV (loan to value) cutoff. Interest rates and points will be painful.

So, if you could find a property worth $120K, and a lender who will do 70% LTV based on ARV, you would be able to borrow $84K. Assume they charge 4 points and 15% interest. Assume about 2% for closing costs. So, after subtracting out the points ($3300) and closing costs ($1500, just rough estimates), and paying the $45K purchase price, you would have about $34K. Typically you will not get this at closing, or will only get a small portion. As you do the work, the lender will give you "draws" of the rehab money.

You will probably need to make monthly interest payments to the lender.

Once you have it fixed up and rented, you can refinance with a permanent loan. Your credit is largely irrelevant, since its your brother who has the income and is qualifying for the loan. DTI is debt to income, which is his total debt payments (the new loan and all his existing ones such as his house, cars, credit cards, student loans, etc.) divided by his gross monthly income. He may or may not be able to include the rental income as part of the income. Just depends on the lender. The DTI limit will also vary by lender. Do the math. If this is 30%, with the new loan, you should be fine. If this is 60%, he won't get a loan.

The lender may also want to see reserves. Fannie Mae's guideline is now six months PITI payments (plus any HOA fees or other fees) for the new loan, plus two months for any other real estate loans. That's for propertys 2-4. Over four you need six months for all properties.

You may need to wait six months or so before you can complete the refinance. You might find a lender who would do 75% of a new value, 70% will be easier. Keep in mind I don't really know your market, so the situation could be better or worse.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Orlando, Florida


Originally posted by Jon Holdman
If you buy a REO for $45K, it will be difficult to get a mortgage for $75K. You will need to use hard money. The ARV (after repair value) would need to be at least $110K, maybe even more if the lender's in FL have a lower LTV (loan to value) cutoff. Interest rates and points will be painful.

So, if you could find a property worth $120K, and a lender who will do 70% LTV based on ARV, you would be able to borrow $84K. Assume they charge 4 points and 15% interest. Assume about 2% for closing costs. So, after subtracting out the points ($3300) and closing costs ($1500, just rough estimates), and paying the $45K purchase price, you would have about $34K. Typically you will not get this at closing, or will only get a small portion. As you do the work, the lender will give you "draws" of the rehab money.

You will probably need to make monthly interest payments to the lender.

Once you have it fixed up and rented, you can refinance with a permanent loan. Your credit is largely irrelevant, since its your brother who has the income and is qualifying for the loan. DTI is debt to income, which is his total debt payments (the new loan and all his existing ones such as his house, cars, credit cards, student loans, etc.) divided by his gross monthly income. He may or may not be able to include the rental income as part of the income. Just depends on the lender. The DTI limit will also vary by lender. Do the math. If this is 30%, with the new loan, you should be fine. If this is 60%, he won't get a loan.

The lender may also want to see reserves. Fannie Mae's guideline is now six months PITI payments (plus any HOA fees or other fees) for the new loan, plus two months for any other real estate loans. That's for propertys 2-4. Over four you need six months for all properties.

You may need to wait six months or so before you can complete the refinance. You might find a lender who would do 75% of a new value, 70% will be easier. Keep in mind I don't really know your market, so the situation could be better or worse.


Wow what a let down. If my brother doesn't want to partner with me. What other was can i fund what I'm trying to do?

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