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Appraiser · Berryville, AR


I posted on here months ago about needing an investor and everyone helped me with advice on what I needed to do- clearly I wasnt ready but now I have revamped and learned and i am ready. Here is what I have:
1. I have found a building that is perfect for the drug and alcohol rehab. It is a very good price but it needs a little work.
2. I have filed paperwork with the state of Arkansas for licensure and to take in Medicaid kids.
3. I have an AWESOME business plan.
4. I have all the numbers for costs and profit.
5. I have counselors and people lined up to start work.
6. I have contacted the local school and they know the kids are to be allocated into the system so they are finding teachers.
7. I have a lot of community support for the project and people to help me with the renovations of the building.
8. I have a small list of items I will need to start due to the fact that the building comes with almost everything I need including beds, furniture, kitchen equipment, etc.
9. I have a start date of July 1st.
10. I have a list of all the court systems and juvenile probation officers in the entire state and a letter at the printers that I am sending out next week. The letters are for the officers to send information of all the clients we will be receiving when we open.
What I need:
1. Funding to purchase the building.
2. Funding to make all necessary repairs.
3. Funding for the first three months of opperation.
What I dont want:
1. A partner. I want to take the money with a payment plan and pay back at a percentage and pay back with a balloon payment in 5 years with out an early payoff penalty.
Please send me your information and I will get back to you with all information I have and I hope to do business with one of you soon.
Thanks,
Rene'e

Ps. And thank you to all who have helped me with information in the past and suggestions as to how to approach everything. I appreaciate everything you have all done for me.


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Renee

Quite a challenge. Best of luck.

Check with your city, county and state representatives. If you can find a local economic development organization, they could probably help, too.

You'll likely find multiple government sponsored programs to help fund such endeavors, for both startup costs and the acquisition. Also, starting something like this, you might find there are state and federal tax breaks later on.


Appraiser · Berryville, AR


I have tried that route and the most I can get is 200k which is not going to do a whole lot of good. What I am needing is 1.5m. The building itself is worth over 2m.


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Why not rent your space?

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Appraiser · Berryville, AR


There is not actually "space" to rent. It will be full as soon as we open- 160 beds at $125 a day. I am in "talks" with the bank but they want 20% down. If I had that kind of money I wouldnt need the bank. I would just finance the building with the owner and be done. The problem is when you are a medicaid provider or bill an insurance company most of the time it takes 3 months to get payment. I would like to be able to pay my employees and my bills those first three months. Once we get opened and start some cash flow we can expand to 320 beds. Its a no loose situation. There are over 12,000 kids in the state of Arkansas who need rehabilitation. It is a sad business but someone has to do it. I am the only one who is willing to take in the kids whose parents can not afford a private pay situation of over $300 a day.


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


You need to find an angel investor. Someone you can meet and get to know personally, and who believes in your business. And who can fund your startup and down payment costs. I'm sure this is possible because my wife works in a very similar situation where a guy with a vision much like yours started with help from an angle investor.

I don't think you're going to find that person here. You need to find someone in your area who sees the same future you do, and who has the money to get you there.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Appraiser · Berryville, AR


Thank you Jon. That is the reason why I come to this site. You and all the others give such great advice. I will see what I can do. I appreciate it. And if you know of any angel investors in Arkansas please let me know.


Real Estate Investor · Charlotte, North Carolina


Take a add out in your local paper and see what that would get you. Go to some local churches and speak with the pastors and see if they would not mind you coming in to speak about the GREAT OPPORTUNITY. also, I would go to some of the facilities like the one you are trying to open and speak with the people inside and see how they got where they are.

Great idea, but you have to be the one that spearheads it.

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Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Are you sure the community will support you in creating this facility 100%? This sounds like an in-patient treatment center. Those are hard to open because a single person can stir up opposition. Its not enough to have many people support you. Its essential to not have anyone opposed to you.

The company my wife works for does halfway houses for people exiting prison. They're always very low key facilities. They're in light industrial areas, those big, windowless warehouse type buildings. There's much less opposition to siting a facility in a location like that than in a residential area.

Do you have an executive director lined up for your facility? If that's you, do you have any actual hands on experience doing this? The ED's main job seems to be to raise funding and to deal with community issues. The clinical staff will deal the patients/clients. If you don't have this experience, you should really try to find this person first. Find someone who shares your passion, and has the experience in fund raising.

Douglas' suggestion is very good. Start talking to other facilities, both similar and not-to-similar. Around here, there's somewhat of a division of funding and clients. It sounds like you're filling a niche that's not currently handled. You may find, however, that's not quite the case. Even if there are many people who need services but aren't being served (this will ALWAYS be the case), they may be agencies that are serving that population. They may be receiving state and federal funds, and will see you as a threat. They may resist your applications and try to stop you so as to not have anyone competing with their funding. Best to find that out now.

You might try visiting similar agencies in other parts of the state or even in a different state.

I believe when you brought this up a while back, and from what you write above, you have trying to buy real estate to do this. I will repeat I think this is the wrong approach. This business is not about real estate. Its about providing services. Buying real estate is difficult and expensive. Renting gives you a much lower cost of entry and gives you flexibility if things don't go the way you expected. Renting is much more common for this type of agency than owning. Where agencies do own buildings, they're often donated. Starting out by trying to buy a building makes your business extra difficult.

Berryville seems like a very out-of-the-way location for something like this. Will you be able to find a population to server in that area? Seems like Little Rock would be a better place for such an agency.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Appraiser · Berryville, AR


To answer your questions, when I started this I did want it in Berryville but received opposition from the community. So, I decided to move my project to Eureka Springs. Eureka Springs is more "diversified" in every since of the word. They even passed a law legalizing marijuana in the city limits or something to that effect. The building I want is zoned C-2. I have a letter from the city secretary stating that it is zoned for what I want to do. The city is in a down turn as far as their tourism goes and the facility I want to put in will help with some of the economic stress the city has been feeling lately. The parents will have to come visit their children (or at least the ones that are able) and they will have to stay in motels and they will have to eat. Granted it will be mainly on the weekends but it will help. I did have another hotel picked to rent. But the rent was higher than the payments will be on this building and it is not the size nor does it have the ammenities this building provides. As far as location, We are surrounded by more populous cities. Northwest Arkansas was (I havent checked lately but as of a couple of years ago) the fastest growing area in America next to Las Vegas. At this time I do appraisals in five counties so I know for sure we can accomodate those five counties and then some considering there are no other facilities in the state quite like the one I am wanting to open. I do have an Executive Director chosen but like she told me, I am basically doing her job to begin with. I have contacts with the Department of Youth Services, the Arkansas Drug and Alcohol Prevention and with Medicaid. I do however need a Mental Therapist because Medicaid does not pay for just Residential Treatment although they did pass a bill recently where Medicaid will pay but it will be a year away. Why bills take an entire year to take effect is beyond me. I have a Governing Board and I am already getting people who work for the local hospitals and doctors offices such as insurance claims and nurses wanting to work for me. There is a man who has had a foundation for abused children for about twenty years that I am meeting with this month to discuss grants, etc. He is a very nice man and is very knowledgable and helpful. My long term goals from here are to start another facility in south Arkansas, near Little Rock and eventually in Oklahoma and Missouri and Texas since we are in the corner near the state lines. There is a facility for adults in Springdale and in Bentonville and one in Heber Springs that have been giving me advice and have taught me all the licensure information I have needed. I have a policy and proceedures manual and all the forms needed for clients and employees. What I originally wanted to do was start with 20 kids because you have to have one counselor for every 20 kids but for some reason this has grown into something larger due to the involvement of the Department of Youth Services and the need for such a facility. In counseling they teach you to answer to your "higher power" and for some reason lately my Higher Power seems to be pointing me into the direction of bigger is better. There are other facilities for juveniles near hear but they are all very very expensive and take a small amount of kids. I guess I am taking my stance from Sam Walton- charge less but have more. I talked to the Juvenile Probation Officer in Berryville today. Just in our small rural county (population less than 10,000) there are 90 kids in the system. I think that is so sad. She said there are more everyday in need of treatment. When I talked to probation officers before within five counties there were over 200 kids. And those were also small rural counties. One of the men at the Department of Youth Services told me that I was the only one who was crazy enough to take this kind of project on and that basically I was the only voice these kids have as of right now. He even asked me to be a lobbyist. But lobbyists are not very popular right now and I told him that I wanted to learn everything there is to know about the business before I even think about being a lobbyist. Once I get this open it will be the largest facility of its kind. If I am at full capacity which is 160 kids for now and they stay for six months to a year in 10 years that is 1600 to 3200 kids I have helped. I know that to everyone the bottom dollar is important (and FYI the rehabilitation business is the most successful business in the United States) but the 160 to 320 a year is what keeps me motivated. Once I have helped my first 160 kids then I feel I will have success.


Real Estate Consultant · las vegas, Nevada


Renee

contact me at the e-mail address below I might have a angel for you
thanks
david
also send what you have and what you want



Angels are partners. You don't want partners.

Banks want 20%. You don't have 20%.

And a loan for the down payment would leave you over-leveraged. Do you have capital for the expenses you will incur early on? Do you have capital to at least pay interest for the first year?

I would have to think that you need a silent partner to get it done. You want a loan for the down payment amount, but what about the risks? Do you expect to be so profitable so soon that you can pay back all of this leverage you're trying to amass?

Practicality is necessary for success. You have used a lot of emotion to describe your mission, and that's awesome. You even called your B-plan 'awesome', but all an investor cares about is that bottom line, and I haven't read too much about that, even though you wrote quite a bit.

You called this thread "who wants to make some money" and you've talked about what YOU need and how much YOU will make, but what about the investor? That's what matters. If your B-plan doesn't get to this point, and quite quickly, it's not 'awesome' to an investor, fund manager, banker, etc.

I see a pitfall in the fact that it's all about helping people, and there is little talk of the bottom line.

Also: if you can get $200k, take it! Start a smaller operation and build investor confidence with your real-world figures! It will go ALOT farther than anything else you talked about.

Talk to business people like business people and have some skin in the game.

Good luck.


Appraiser · Berryville, AR


Well you are right about my business plan. I messed up on my proforma. I had it at 25% capacity and not full capacity until December. I sent out "feeler" letters to the probation officers and the judges through out the state. Within four days of sending out letters we are going to start at full capacity. I dont want a partner because I have worked too hard and learned too much to give up any of the benifits of the business. All I want is for someone to loan me the money with no money down use the building as colateral and I pay them an outrageous amount of intrest and pay it off in a small amount of time. It would be quick money for someone- will it make them rich, no but it will be a good investment that will make money in a short period of time- we are talking two years. I just thought someone might want a higher return on their money than any bank can guarantee. I am ready to open but since I only have 20k to put into it I am going to start with a building I can lease to purchase and still have 52 kids. The bank is going to hopefully lend me the money to start and then I will buy the larger building and have one building for aftercare and the main building for kids that are for the short timers. I am still open to any suggestions on how to get the money for the larger building soon as it is extremely needed.



I'd say you're on the right track with the smaller building. Be patient. Use the cash flow from the 52 bed gig to at least have X-amount of interest payments available. That would make an investor feel alot safer.

You are just sending out feeler letters, so realistically--and this has been touched on by Jon--you don't have a business yet. You have an idea. You have a model.

Go into business. Generate cash flow. Extrapolate that proven success into a bigger scenario. THAT'S what investors want to see. If you can turn $20k into X amount of $$$, then you can create an exec summary with that as support.

Glad you're moving forward.
Good Luck


Real Estate Investor · Elgin, Illinois


This is probably a shot in the dark, but see if you can find someone to put you in touch with some of the goods folks in Bentonville. You might be able to get real lucky(or have a good presentation) to have someone whisper in the ear of one of the Waltons. If not the Waltons, I am sure there are many other "Wal-mart millionaires"

If you are really doing good work for the kids, they might want to be involved.


Appraiser · Berryville, AR


I found out that I have to be Incorporated. I found the site for filing papers but I am not understanding the "shares" part. How many shares and how much each share is worth. How do you determine this?


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Its your call. Really, its nothing complex. Corporations issues "shares", which represent ownership of the company. If you look on Yahoo! or any financial site, you can see how many shares are outstanding (i.e, have been issued) for a company. The number of shares times the current price is the "market capitalization" or "market cap" for the company. That is the total value of the company.

The simplest thing is to fix the value of each share. Call them, say, $1 each. Then, if you have investors who are putting in a total of $100,000, you say they are getting 100,000 shares. If you think you deserve slightly more than 50% of the value of your company, you would give yourself, for example, 105,000 shares. That would give you a majority ownership of the company. The fact you didn't contribute $105,000 doesn't matter.

Now, you investors may say, "no way". So, you have to have a chat with them to see what they are willing to do.

The value of the shares doesn't really matter. You could just as easily say shares are worth $1000 each, the investors get 100 shares and you get 105 shares. What really matters is the percentage ownership.

Pretty much any basic investing book will explain how shares, share price, and ownership work.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC



You're too new to business. You should start VERY SMALL because your mistakes and ignorance will be magnified if you bite off more than you can chew.

You should have known this already, and your corporate structure should be a part of your awesome B-plan.

Read more books before you start, because you have one chance at a first impression, and investors will kill this plan of yours immediately.


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