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Real Estate Investor · Mesa, Arizona


I am seeking investors to JV with, and must have a minimum $75K to fund daily Trustee sale auction purchases in Phoenix, Arizona for quick rehab and flip. I handle everything from pre-auction research to managing the property until resale.

So many deals that I watch $100's fly by while I bend over to pick up $1's (I have cash to do a deal every 45 days but would be great to do 10.) On my own I need another 6 months watching deals go bye to do 3 at a time.

I know what the numbers need to be in my market as I am closing 5 - 10 short sale flips per month, and the trustee service I am partnered with is doing 30+ purchases monthly at the auctions for buyers.

Let me know if you have interest and I can send you all information needed to make an informed decision.


Rehabber · Chandler, Arizona


I know what the numbers need to be in my market as I am closing 5 - 10 short sale flips per month,

You are closing 5-10 short sale flips a month and you do not have $75,000?

Something does not seem right with the info you provided. Can you explain why you are not able to fund your auction deals with the large amounts of money you are making off closing 5-10 shorts a month?

Small_wh_logo_full_1600_350_black_cJustin S., Wheelhouse Properties
E-Mail: wheelhouseproperties@gmail.com
Telephone: 4806780446
Website: http://www.wheelhouseproperties.com
Realtor, Re-modeler, Cash Buyer


Real Estate Investor · Mesa, Arizona


I sure can Justin, In the process I'm going to air out some dirty laundry for the folks on BiggerPockets to see.

I have been a mortgage broker for 9 years and took a major hit with the credit crunch (in addition to hitting a burnout stage at the same time.) Tried to pay 6 employees even though hardly any money was coming in because I am that kind of guy. Once I ran through my assetts I had no choice but to do it on my own.

Pursued a few other opportunities that did not work out and as a result of major income loss, went upside down myself. I have children and absolutely no family that has the ability to assist me in tough times. In December of 2008, I had a few slow months and my water heater went out. I went two weeks boiling water on the stove to give my kids a bath and my heater for the house is one of those that runs off the water heater as well.

Right around this time I watched a webinar about short sale investing. THe offer was to get a line of credit through a bank to pay for the training course. I studied it as fast as I could and found a few title companies that were closing these deals, who then introduced me to other investors that gave me tips in the beginning.

I was only making a three or four thousand a month doing loans which was not enough to cover my expenses. In January, After I got contracts on my 1st few short sales, I was talking to a Realtor friend of mine about this business, and he introduced me to a woman that worked as an assett manager at two major lenders for 10 years. She had quit working for the bank and was beginning to negotiate for agents. Now she negotiates all of my short sales and I pay her well, as she is amazing.

Once I lined all this up, I approached a long time mortgage client of mine, who lent me $25K as startup capital (who I ahve already paid back with interest) so I could do short sales full-time without having to worry about busting my rear end to make a few thousand doing loans.

We closed our 1st deal in March, 2 in April, none in May, 1 in June, 2 in July, 5 in August, 2 last week, 3 this week, and 5 more set to close before the end of September.

I have a pipeline of around 50 short sales and have not sent a single mailer, called any agents I did not already know, or knocked on a single door. All word of mouth.

We now have a pipeline that is clearly going to pay us out consistently for now.

My wife is a Mommy 1st and a terrific Real estate agent 2nd. She helps me to evaluate properties everyday to make sure my figures are accurate. The guys who run the trustee service are excellent as well and won't allow someone to over-bid.

So now to answer your question:

I have the cash to do 1 deal at a time for now, as mentioned in my post, in 6 months I will be able to handle 3 at a time. If I partner with multiple investors, do all the heavy lifting for them, and we split the profit, I can do many more deals, much faster, and making myself and my partners more money, with minimal effort for them. The way I see it we have 3 to 5 years to take advantage of the current market we are in. the more I can do faster, the faster I won't have to work anymore unless I want to.

As an investor I question why you do not see the benefit in partnering up to do more deals, even if you are sharing profits, as opposed to using only the funds you already have. Isn't the point of private money to accomplish this? You obviously do not understand the magnitude of the current opportunity with the trustee sales, and working with one of the true insiders (my associates) to win bids on those properties.

Interesting that an investor like yourself would focus on discrediting/ questioning me (without having a clue about my story) as opposed to asking questions about the opportunity.

Maybe in the future you will send a direct message to a person instead of blasting it out for all to see if you question the poster. This is something someone with integrity would do. Then if you did not like what you heard or saw, you could then make an educated decision as to whether that person is legitimate or not.

I do however appreciate you giving me a perfect opportunity to allow me to tell my story of how God has blessed me with finding these opportunities after being at the worst point in my life 9 short months ago.

Do YOU recognize how lucky you are to be doing what you do in a time like this?

When you take your foot out of your mouth I look forward to your reply.

By the way, no hard feelings, I would still network with you to help each other take advantage of the many opportunities this market provides.

Chris


SFR Investor · Scottsdale, Arizona


Chris, way to make a first impression.

First you come out acting like a big shot and then get called out on it with a simple question and he's the one with a problem? don't think so

Next time you accuse someone of putting their foot in their mouth, I would suggest you think twice about it and consider how exactly is that making you look by accusing them of that.

You could have easily come out and said you've only been in business since Jan of this year with a partner etc..... but instead you come out like a big shot and get called on it. If you can't take the heat, well you know what follows that..........

maybe next time, instead of giving some broad range of 5-10 short sales closed a month, you can fess up and just tell the truth

best of luck to ya


Real Estate Investor · Mesa, Arizona


How was I acting like a big shot and not telling the truth? I am now consistently closing short sales EVERY week. The opportunity I presented is very real and very accurate. I was basically called out to be a ********ter which I have not done/ You just did the same thing he did and have now taken a legitimate post on a good opportunity and sort of made it look questionable.

All I was saying is that if you are going to question someone, you should do it in a direct message, and evaluate the opportunity before discrediting them.

Instead of networking, we are now calling each other out.

"putting your foot in your mouth" is what it is called when you speak out loud about something you don't really know about. Then find out you were wrong and maybe should have got the facts straight first.

Justin questioning me sounds a bit premature considering I looked at his website and it looks like he has worked on 6 short sales (recently anyways) and closed 2. (Justin, nice spread on Wildhorse in Chandler by the way, what did you net around 30k or so? Congrats.)

Do you not see the error in questioning me by assuming you understand my situation? We are all here in Phoenix. Why don't we setup a time to meet at my office and I can give you both some pointers and show you the opportunity I posted here.

it may seem like a "simple" question, but if you read my whole reply a few times, you will see it is not a "simple' answer.

By the way, Justin.... Janet Moe and Mary are having a Mastermind meeting tomorrow at 11AM at Great American. I believe you used her on a few of your escrows? Maybe you should attend, should be a great meeting. Or feel free to call her and ask about me, she knows me very well. In fact, as an escrow officer she knows tons of real Estate agents and referred her son Tyler to my wife to buy a house. Again, not trying to be a big shot, I just am being defensive because my integrity was questioned.


Rehabber · Chandler, Arizona


Chris-

You really over reacted on your response. I asked a simple question of you and you completely overacted and accused me that I do know how to invest in real estate nor understand the fundamentals. That was uncalled for and unnecessary.

I'm not sure how asking you to explain details further is discrediting you. You posted in a public forum and I asked a question in a public forum. If you wanted a private response, then you should have stated that in your post. Something of the sort "PM for more details".

As Nick said it was a simple question. I did not ask for your life history nor was it necessary to post your life history. It was a simple question and you made it a complex answer.

In the future I would recommend you act in a professional manner when asking for money or joint venture deals. I'm sure there would have been plenty of people to lend you money but your response was unprofessional, unnessary, and probably did you more harm than good. People are going to ask questions when you ask for money.

I am not going to stoop to your level of insults. Good luck in the future and I hope you learn from your mistakes.

Justin

Small_wh_logo_full_1600_350_black_cJustin S., Wheelhouse Properties
E-Mail: wheelhouseproperties@gmail.com
Telephone: 4806780446
Website: http://www.wheelhouseproperties.com
Realtor, Re-modeler, Cash Buyer


Real Estate Investor · Mesa, Arizona


Unbelievable. You asked me why I do not have the money to fund the auction deals if I am closing so many short sales.

You questioned me, as to why I can't fund my own deals if I am closing so many short sales. Asking for further details should have gone something like this:

"Could you provide more information on the opportunity? Maybe some data, or info on actual deals completed?"

You clearly have no intention of taking part in the opportunity, but actually questioned me (which I am now closing 5 -10 per month) on why I don't have the money.

Why even bother replying? As far as questioning whether you know how to invest in real estate, I complimented you on your spread on one of your properties. All I said was you must not understand how HUGE the opportunity at the trustee sales is. Everyone knows you can get deals, but until I hooked up with the guys I am doing this through, I really did not understand the magnitude either.

You hit the nail on the head. You asked a simple question of ME. Not the opportunity I presented. Next time, question the opportunity, and you will get a proper response. The only question you actually asked me is WHY DONT I HAVE MY OWN MONEY? Who's insulting who?


Real Estate Investor · Mesa, Arizona


I probably did over react, regarding explaining my entire story. I am just very passionate about whatever I do. On the upside of that, maybe a newbie investor will read the "story" part and get motivated or grow some ideas on what to do to really get going.

If you pay attention to my story, you will see that my family and I were suffering pretty bad and I pulled us out of the ashes. I do not come from money either. My parents divorced when I was 3, my dad is a postal worker and my Mother has been disabled due to an accident with a drunk driver since I was 12, just 5 years after my younger brother was hit and killed by a car in Tucson, AZ.

Maybe I should have just said that I have a good pipeline and as of two months ago I am closing deals weekly. I do however have nine years of Real Estate experience as a mortgage broker and for 2 years ran the Arizona office for a broker out of San Diego with 25 loan officers under me that I trained.

My point in posting about my closings was to emphasize I know what I am doing in the AZ market. I am in fact closing short sales every week and am making great money. Now that I am involved in the trustee sales, I see an enormous opportunity, but unlike transactional funding on short sales, You need cash if you are going to do a lot of deals.

Maybe we have different goals? I am trying to do as many deals as I can while it's hot. Maybe you are comfortable doing a deal here and there and making good enough money to keep you comfortable. Either way I joined this site to network and make money, as well as sharing what I have learned and the opportunities that WE (you and I) have all been blessed with....

It was upsetting that my 1st attempt at raising money for a good opportunity is now tarnished by this mess, which started with Justin questioning why I don't have own cash. Now we all know.

Notice I still offer to even meet at my office in Phoenix (where we all are) to brainstorm and invited Justin to a Mastermind meeting with an escrow officer we both use. Offer is still open.......


BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


Folks -
I do think there is certainly validity in questioning someone's background when they are asking for money, and as such, feel that Justin's first question was valid. That said, I think this thread had gotten a little out of control.

It seems like you've managed to sort this mess out while I was getting some much needed sleep. Lets just get back to the task at hand here . . .

Thank you.

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Real Estate Investor · Mesa, Arizona


I agree the question is valid to ask, but maybe could have been done with a different context. I can be a bit of a hothead sometimes. Yes, this did get out of hand, and perhaps I should have gotten to know people here on the site before I threw the opportunity out there.

Thanks Josh.

Justin and Nick,

sometimes great relationships start off on the wrong foot and end up stronger in the end because of it. What say we try again and help each other out as BP is intended?

My apologies on the foot in mouth comment. you of course have a right to ask if something doesn't quite sound right.


SFR Investor · Scottsdale, Arizona


LOL!!!

I knew you'd come around :)

I was just waiting, I even told Justin that this will end up happening. I like ya, I was just giving ya a little chest thumping that's all.

Just like you said, whenever a Realtor tries to challenge, they always end up losing but I end up being friends with them and a lot of times making money with them.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Now that you may have blown your opportunity to work with 2 of the better BP posters and members, maybe you should try me. I have the money, won't call you out, but will expect specifics and #'s as to whet I will make from your work and my funds. Join me as a colleague and PM me or reply here. I have no secrets and just want to do deals without working!! I have the funds and am in a position to do that. More info, please. Rich from all over.


SFR Investor · Scottsdale, Arizona


Originally posted by Rich Weese
Now that you may have blown your opportunity to work with 2 of the better BP posters and members, maybe you should try me. I have the money, won't call you out, but will expect specifics and #'s as to whet I will make from your work and my funds. Join me as a colleague and PM me or reply here. I have no secrets and just want to do deals without working!! I have the funds and am in a position to do that. More info, please. Rich from all over.


I'd take him up on that if I were you. He's as legit as they come.


Real Estate Investor · Mesa, Arizona


Hi Nick,

Good to hear we are buddies again.

Chris


SFR Investor · Scottsdale, Arizona


Originally posted by IDEALProperty
Hi Nick,

Good to hear we are buddies again.

Chris


it wise for you to get in touch with Rich :wink:

Real Estate Investor · Mesa, Arizona


Hi Rich,

I will join as a colleague with you and send you a message. I can put together some specifics and data on already completed deals. We have a really good system that I will show you.

Thanks!

Chris


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Chris- I accepted you as a coleague, but haven't seen your info. Lets' make some money together.

Nick- thanks for the props.
Rich in FL



Hi Chris, I read your second post. Are you a Christian? If you are, Christians naturally tell their testimony. Which is edifying, uplifting and encouraging. If you can make it in hard times like these; so can we!!

On the other hand, others may call it a " life story" or "story telling" and miss the whole point.

Or, it could be we just want to explain and be friendly in the buisness world so others can get to know us and our background (so they may know with whom they are going to be partnering with) and share just like some of my REI Mentors. THEY ALL TELL THEIR EXPERIENCES OFF TOPIC AND ON REI TOPIC... AND GUESS WHAT? THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS. (SMILE)

I applaud you for sharing.

And through GOD all things are possible if we beileve.

It's a no brainer- Just take a look at the back of your Dollar Bills. It is in God we trust!!! Yes! That's the same God I'm talking about. Ya gotta love it!

I will PM you Chris on a REI Project to see if you may be interested.

I know the conversation is dated. But if its on here it'll always be kept alive. (smile)

Have a blessed, joyful & prosperous day!

P.S. "Every comment/post is to build you and make you stronger, whether you see it now or later" Critics help make us who we are- so take all the comments/posts in love and be blessed by them.:-)

K.S.


Real Estate Investor · Mesa, Arizona


Thanks Keima, and yes I am a Christian and if it were not for Christ I do not think I would have the strength to push on through bad times like we had.

I have been off the site for a few weeks as we just moved into a new house and I had to go to New Mexico for my step-son's Grandmother's funeral.

She was a great woman and will be missed. On the upside the kids and I came home with half a truck full of fireworks!

Anyways, I am pretty tired tonight so I will jump back in here tomorrow and see what's going on, check messages, etc.

God bless!


SFR Investor · Scottsdale, Arizona


Originally posted by IDEALProperty
On the upside the kids and I came home with half a truck full of fireworks!





I can't drive through NM without loading up :mrgreen:

this last 4th of July was the first year in a really long time where I didn't drive down to Mexico just to load up on fireworks to bring back. I was in Missouri for the 4th of July and fireworks are legal and sold on every street corner. I honestly spent $3k in just fireworks that week.

what kind did you get?


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