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Real Estate Investor · Hallandale Beach, Florida


Need proof of funds (POF) letter of $50k to do deals. Can anyone help? Can I use funds in someone else's account if they give me a gift letter? How would it be stated?


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Proof of funds would typically be a bank statement in your name showing the amount in question or a pre-approval letter from a lender stating you were approved for the amount.

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Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


Agreed with Jon...especially for an REO, the bank will verify that the POF is in the name of the buyer (as per the contract).

A good example is that when I submit offers in the name of one company and POF in the name of another (I have two corporate entities set up for investing), the bank almost always comes back to ask for proof that the companies have the same ownership.


Banker · Westmont, New Jersey


Hey, my compnay directly provides POFs

please contact me about this

thanks


BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


Originally posted by Joshua Holiday
Hey, my compnay directly provides POFs

please contact me about this

thanks

Can you explain how your company would provide Proof of Funds for an investor who doesn't have the funds themselves?

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Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Let's get the details first so we can better answer the original question.

What is the POF for (in the amount of $50k)? For an REO purchase, a short sale, or what?

It makes a huge difference as an REO offer will require that the funds be in the name of an account which appears as the buyer, whereas a short sale offer can get away with a POF letter from a funder (such as myself).

When I make offers on REO properties in the name of my entity, the signature is of course in my name as is the POF. The POF is my bank statements, both business and personal, as well as other liquid accounts such as my IRA, family trust, stock acount, etc, all of which are in my own name. I could not offer those to you to make offers on REO properties in your own name or your own entity's name.
For shaort sales, I can produce a POF letter which stipulates you are approved fro X amount of funding, etc etc. which will almost always fly for that type of transaction.

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BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


Thanks for getting to my point for me, Will. lol!

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Banker · Westmont, New Jersey


POF is basically a credibility enhancing tool, the funds will be wired into the account of your choosing for a period of time usually 30 day min. They can be verified through your bank statement or other means

for POF transactions my company can complete them in less than 24 hours

If you would like to know more about this type of transaction please don't hesitate to contact me

thanks


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


So you wire funds to the recipients bank account so they can show actual funds from their onw account in their POF's and you charge what fees for that service?
How is your money protected for the 30 days it sits in someone's account?

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Banker · Westmont, New Jersey


fees depend on how much you need, for what length of time, and what they will be used for....

the funds again cannot be leveraged or encumbered upon in any way, they are blocked & ounce the period of time is up they are wired back to us

if anyone has any further questions please contact me directly

thanks


BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


How about a price range for this service, Joshua? If I needed $5k or $50k or $100k what would the fees be?

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Banker · Westmont, New Jersey


depends again really on for how long, what they are being used for etc

a standard rate of 5 % per a 30 day period

hope this helps

thanks,


Real Estate Investor · Tacoma, Washington


Interesting, thats a new one for me, but if that works it could definitly be worth it if its that simple and only 5% and no other "fees". Does the 5% still count if you don't I mean the funds are blocked and can only be used for the purchase transaction it seems.

Joy, POF from what I seen can be done using a gift letter. Im not sure if there is a cap on what a bank would consider a "gift" amount though as 100K+ would seem like an overly generous gift and they want to make sure its owner occupied. Yes, if its an REO, you may as well have the liquid assets sitting in your account. The key is having some solid end buyers and getting your POF letter will be easier and let you rest assured a little better.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Wow, I need to get into the POF business if I can get 5 points for 30 days where my funds are only sitting in some other account strictly for POF purposes and are locked and can not be accessed or used to buy anything!

I only get 10 points for 32 days when my funds are actually used to PURCHASE property. Let me get into this and get a total of 15 points!

Bring me your POF requests! :)

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Banker · Westmont, New Jersey


yes the rate is 5 % and there are no other fees

again if you need the funds for longer than 30 days it would cost more depending on the length of time you need it for


Wholesaler · Memphis, Tennessee


The best way to and the most legal and legit way to get a POF letter is to actually have the money yourself? Here are the steps to having this:

1. Save your money
2. Get a money partner

Why dont you just make your own POF letter using Microsoft Word, then you dont need to pay someone for a letter.

If YOU dont have the money then you might want to think about buying a house another way.

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Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


Originally posted by Curt Davis
The best way to and the most legal and legit way to get a POF letter is to actually have the money yourself? Here are the steps to having this:

1. Save your money
2. Get a money partner

Why dont you just make your own POF letter using Microsoft Word, then you dont need to pay someone for a letter.

If YOU dont have the money then you might want to think about buying a house another way.



Curt -

Very well said... :D

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I have a source that also does POF. The cost is 4% and it does lower if the size is higher. If interested, please email me.

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Banker · Westmont, New Jersey


I can cut the rate even lower, if the client is prepared to move quickly

Also for larger amounts, longer amounts of time needed as well


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


A waste of money if you ask me. If the POF is given, but the funds can not be used for the acquisition, what good is it? And you charge the investor for the POF?
Seems like highway robbery to me.

Any investor buying funds (POF) just to get offers accepted, are most likely going to run into a problem of the EMD as well as closing on the deal.

If you want to be an investor, get yoru own real money or a partner or private investor to fund your deal. Showing a phony POF (and that is all it is) is just a scam in my book.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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