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Real Estate Investor · Marina, California


I have a property I am working. The property is valued at $6 and the foreclosure payoff is $4.2 M. I am in the beginning stages of the transaction with Chase, but I need to see if there is a lender available to help finance the property. If transactional funding is available that would be great, if hard money is available, that would be even better.

Thanks,

Jeff


Real Estate Investor · Marina, California


Sorry, I forgot to mention this property is located in Monterey California.


Rehabber · Chandler, Arizona


Jeff-

A couple things.

1. This does not seem to be a short sale if the property is valued higher than loan payoff, unless there is a large 2nd mortgage out there.

2. Transactional funding is for 100% and hard money is usually for 70% with you coming to the table with the other 30%. On this deal, that is 1.26M plus monthly payments. You sure this is what you want?

Small_wh_logo_full_1600_350_black_cJustin S., Wheelhouse Properties
E-Mail: wheelhouseproperties@gmail.com
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Real Estate Investor · Marina, California


Definately not the hard money. I probably will need a partner on hard money but transactional funding will be the way to go.

On the house, the problem is the property was built on a construction loan but by the time it was completed the mortgage jumped due to the economy from $8k to $18k a month.

The property has been for sale for over 18 months. The lenders are asking for a lot down from a number of people looking at the property.

I was wondering if I can negotiate it down even further and possibly do something like a seller held second to help the prospective buyer qualify. Even at a 10% second that would still be $400k+ in a profit. I appreciate any advice on this.

Thanks,

Jeff


Real Estate Lender · Chicago, Illinois


Sorry left my wallet in my other pants!

Seriously. I am not sure why you think trans funding is the "way to go". You don't indicate that you are flipping the property or that you have prospective end buyers lined up. Unless you have a flip set up, you won't get Trans Funding.

Maybe I didn't understand. You have been pretty vague with the details.
Who "values it at $6M"?


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Is this a house?? I know of towns that have sold for less. I think you're way over your head on this one and should try something with less problems upfront. Good luck. Rich


Real Estate Investor · Marina, California


Thank you for your responses:

The value was received by 2 recent appraisals (within last 6 months) and I am looking at a SS flip on the property. The house in an area close to 17 Mile Drive close to where the US Open just took place. The homes in this area are all in the $2M+ range.

Thanks,

Jeff


Hard Money Lender


I would even go so far as to say you need LTV 60% max for residential NOO hard money (So. Cal) in response to Wheelhouse's comments. I've been having great success on short sale fundings at about 60%..that's in So. Cal. non-rural only. And under 700K. In general, private lenders tend to shun Super Jumbo SFR NOOs even at 50% LTV, in my experience....even props in desirable areas like Beverly Hills and Bel Air. Even with seller carry-back, you'll have to pump a lot of cash into this to get an investor on board with you. How much were you planning on putting in yourself for the purchase?


Real Estate Investor · Marina, California


Dana-

I was looking at doing A-B transactional funding and find a C -buyer with all cash or assist the C-buyer obtaining financing by possibly holding a 15% second.


Real Estate Lender · Chicago, Illinois


I don't want to be a naysayer but I just don't see this happening.
I am imagining any C buyer with $6M in cash is going to sophisticated enough to not let you get in the middle of this transaction for a million $.
He'll figure out a way to go around you to buy it himself from the lender. That is what I would do.


Real Estate Investor · Marina, California


Eric

I'm not trying to hit this out of the park with a million dollar profit, I'll be happy with $150k to get the deal done. That's reasonable enough for any work that I put into it.

Thanks,

J


Real Estate Investor


150k for one SS deal is reasonable? Jesus I live in the wrong part of the country. I wish you luck. It takes me 3 years to make that...


Note Investor · Tempe, Arizona


I am missing something here. You say that the reason for default was that "the mortgage jumped because of the economy from $8000 to $18000 per month. A loan of $4.2 million amoritizes at $18000 per month at 5% interest. Was the borrower expecting to pay significantly less than 5% interest?

In todays market an appraisal (or two) can be meaningless. On a one of house of this kind the appraisal can be off by 30%. Transaction costs add another 8%. Holding costs can add another 10 -20%. So the $6million house can actually be a break even purchase at $2.5 to $3million! The difference between the $4.2 million purchase price and the $3million bottom line price is risk capital of $1.2 million. I don't think you will find too many people wanting to risk losing $1.2 million unless the upside is alot greater than this deal.


Real Estate Lender · Chicago, Illinois


Originally posted by Jeff Shane
Eric

I'm not trying to hit this out of the park with a million dollar profit, I'll be happy with $150k to get the deal done. That's reasonable enough for any work that I put into it.

J

So how are you going to offer the C buyer a 15% second?
You gotta have equity in the deal to do that. I figured you were counting on getting short sale for 15% off and flipping for full price.

Doesn't matter. None of this thread has made a bit of sense to me. Nothing has added up at all. I don't think any real deal is going to happen here.


Private Money Lender · Denver, Colorado


If you negotiate a short sale approval it would be difficult for an end buyer to circumvent you as you are under contract with the present owner. If you can find an end buyer for a back-to-back deal I can likely provide transactional funding. Your idea of carrying a second actually could help with the end buyer, assuming you are able to negotiate enough spread. You want to be very aware that your end buyer will need a mortgage lender, if they are getting a mortgage, that understands this is a flip and does not have standard 90 day title seasoning requirements. I may be able to point you in a couple directions for that end lender.


Banker · Westmont, New Jersey


if you are still having trouble placing this deal with a lender, please contact me.


Real Estate Lender · Chicago, Illinois


Originally posted by Ted Akers
If you negotiate a short sale approval it would be difficult for an end buyer to circumvent you as you are under contract with the present owner.

In a normal situation this would be true. But in a home in this price range an end buyer will be much harder to come across in the time frame you have the SS approval for.
I have seen this happen before on million dollar properties and commercial properties too.
An end buyer on a very high end home realizes an investor with little money or leverage is in the middle of a deal trying to make a spread.
The end buyer waits for the SS approval to expire and goes to the listing agent/seller and says I want to buy this property. If you want to sell it to me, you have to get rid of this middle man. If end buyers are scarce enough, that B investor will see his contract with the seller disappear very fast. The typical real estate purchase contract is one of the easiest contracts to break.
Or it just takes one phone call to a lender to say you would like to give them more on the short sale than this flipper is offering and all the sudden that flipper's negotiations with the lender come to a standstill. Lenders are VERY sensitive to this now.





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