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Real Estate Investor · Philadelphia, Pennsylvania


Hi folks,

I'm interested in making offers on a number of properties outside my market of Philadelphia and since this is something I've never done before(making offers outside of Philly)I'd like to know how does one go about purchasing investment property(site unseen)at a distance?

Any input or advice would be greatly appreciated. :rock:


Real Estate Consultant


I've always thought it was wisest to invest in your own back yard.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


David,
That is just not geographically possible in some cases. For instance, if you lived where I do (North Los Angeles), would you invest here as a buy and holder? I sure wouldn't and do not.

Sidney,
It is very important to build a good power team of professional in the area you wish to invest. It is equally important that you complete your due diligence on the area, demographic data, and each of your team members.
Once this is complete, you are ready to invest out of state.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


I went one step further. I moved to the state I wanted to invest in. I now have a complete team in place and it is an auto pilot thing now. It is so smooth now , I may to move to MS!!


Real Estate Consultant


Good point Will. That never even occurred to me.


Real Estate Investor · Philadelphia, Pennsylvania


The particular deals that I'm referring to making offers on wouldn't be for the purpose of buying and holding. I would actually be flipping the deals to investors & retail buyers.

As far as building my power team, that is something I always saw as necessary, if I was ever going to be able to expand my market place. But my question for you Will, who exactly would make up my team?

I'm not really sure who(as far as various professional types are concerned) to tap that would assist me with this particular investment objective.

Thanks again.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


RE attorney in that state
RE agent
Title/Escrow company
Property management + at least 1 back-up
Lender
Home Inspector
CPA
Contractor
Handyman
Insurance agent
Another investor in the area (possibly), or mentor

This list includes most but possibly not all.
The key is having the knowledge and experience to know what questions to ask during your interviews with these potential team members, the ability to properly negotiate contracts, and knowing how to handle or avoid some pitfalls (too many possible to list here)

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
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Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


You also mentioned flipping the properties. This may be difficult in this lending market as your end buyer could have seasoning issues which is an entirely new topic discussed here on BP due to the new lending market guidelines or hinderances as they are.
Here is another thread on this topic:
http://biggerpockets.com/forums/49/topics/24285

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
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Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


If you're serious about doing this, I'd invest a week and go visit the place. Drive around and learn the area. Meet people who might be on your team.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


That is also viable and good advice Jon.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Real Estate Investor · Indiana, Indiana


Originally posted by Rich Weese
I went one step further. I moved to the state I wanted to invest in.


So I'm not alone in this line of thinking.... This is why I moved to Indiana. It always struck me that historically people have moved to pursue opportunity and people still move for a job - why not move for better real estate opportunity?

Sidney,
Get a map and make a circle around philly equal to a 1.5 hour drive. Look for your next market within that circle. The state of Pennsylvania has some phenomenal cash flow opportunity.


· Blue Bell, Pennsylvania


Sidney,

I work and invest in the suburban Philly RE market. There are good cash flow opportunities all around us. Just this week I saw good opportunities in West Chester, Phoenixville and Pottstown. Also, I found a 55 unit student housing property in Bloomsburg, PA that is a home run. I agree with knowing your area, but that area boundary can be rather large. Like the 1.5 hour or more radius of Philly, or whatever town.city in the US.


Real Estate Investor · Philadelphia, Pennsylvania


Thanks everyone for all your input, I appreciate it.


Real Estate Investor · Lincoln, Nebraska


My first investment was out of state, it was 3 hrs. drive. I bought it site unseen (pictures only), but here is what I did... I bought the property for the lot price, so I was covered in case the house was worth nothing. I had to find a team the hard way... testing them...because even the bad contractors/workers came with good references. I had to do the plumbing twice, the first plumber was a joke ! and forget about geting your money back. I visited the property every weekend and I ended up spending at least double of what I thought it needed. It was probably a mixture of not knowing people there and making newbies mistakes...but this was 4 years ago...I fliped the property for a good profit ! It was a great experience for me but I have not done another out of state since.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


This situation is referring to buying a full rehab investment. I would not recommend this type of investment from afar, and judjing by the explanations/problems in the post above, I would imagine abhyler would not do it again.
When purchasing out of state, you should be looking for more turn-key properties, light repairs, if any, as it is very difficult to manage a full rehab from such a distance.
I too have done it before and would most likely not do it again, at least not on a sfr/duplex unit, perhaps a large unit/commercial building.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


I agree on not doing rehabs from a distance. It is hard enuff to do in your own area.


Real Estate Investor · Philadelphia, Pennsylvania


Rich,

Thanks for the offer, I'll keep that in mind. I hear certain parts of Texas is really smoking right now.


Wholesaler · Memphis, Tennessee


Sidney, you need to take a close look at Memphis TN. The deals here are so cheap. I have many clients from all over the U.S. who purchase site unseen. Part of your journey will involve a great level of trust. Also going to visit the city will help also. You will need to build a solid team wherever you decide to invest. Here is an example of the type of deals in Memphis.

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This is just an example. Deals can be even better and you can get higher end deals or lower end ones also. Just depends on your strategy.

Small_buymemphisnow_stacksCurt Davis, buyMemphisnow.com
E-Mail: crtdavis@gmail.com
Telephone: 901-881-0552
Website: http://www.buymemphisnow.com
Full Service Real Estate Investing in Memphis TN


Wholesaler · Memphis, Tennessee


ARV $90,000
Sale Price $49,900
Repairs Needed $10,000
Rent Range $950 per month

Small_buymemphisnow_stacksCurt Davis, buyMemphisnow.com
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Telephone: 901-881-0552
Website: http://www.buymemphisnow.com
Full Service Real Estate Investing in Memphis TN


Real Estate Investor · Philadelphia, Pennsylvania


Sidney,
You'll need to find a wholesaler that can provide a "total package" for the investor. This is what we do here in Philly.

Someone that can find good deals (with backup information), provide contractors that have quoted the work, perhaps have the wholesaler email you pictures of the rehab progress, & property managers.




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