Why would an investor pay a wholesaler thousands of dollars for a referel/assignment (whatever its called). The investor has the same resources to find houses that the wholesaler does, probably more even, considering (my opinion here) that I would imagine most wholesalers are beginner investors dont have all the resources.
I work for a wholesale investment firm in Memphis. Investors buy from us b/c they do not have access to the deals like we do and we also have a turn key system in place ( contractors, management companies, closing attorneys ). Most regular investors do not have a team in place. The main thing to think about is that most investors still have full time day jobs that make it difficult to do everything like our company can do. Hope this answered your question.
Edited: 06/26/2010 at 09:17AM
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Basic wholesaling (without the words "turnkey" and "teams" ) is a very valuable component to other investors.
While I do offer turnkey / teams and all that other crap I do also just plain old wholesaing - and those who buy from me are:
- new investors not sure what makes a good deal or where to find them
- people who can't buy at the prices I buy at - so even when i mark them up for my profit it is cheaper then they could have gotten it on their own
- work full time and don't have the time or desire
- are out of state investors but have local teams they already trust
- are other wholesalers who need property for a client - got a call today asking for 30 properties from another wholesaler who has a client wanting 30 properties - they didn't have them - I do
- investors who just didn't see the deal - there are so many deals out there right now and everyone has their way of finding deals - so i see deals that others don't see and vice-versa so if I find one that meets another investors criteria - cool
I forgot - you said "The investor has the same resources to find houses that the wholesaler does, probably more even, considering (my opinion here) that I would imagine most wholesalers are beginner investors dont have all the resources."
I really disagree with that. As I said above everyone has different sources for properties - I wouldn't say everyone has the same access. Everyone uses different sources and ways to get their properties.
And just because someone does wholesaling doesn't mean they are a newbie by any stretch. I still do it after 10 years full time.
Thanks Scott. I'm still learning all this. I got the impression on another thread that wholesaling is something mainly done by real estate "investors" that have no cash on hand.
So much to learn...so much to learn. I'm startin to get a headache from all this redaing, break time for the night.
Many investors are like me, I like to do business in a certain segment of the marketplace and in the course of ordinary business I find deals that I could pass on but instead I tie them up and wholesale them, why throw money and time away?
I know some investors that never look for a deal, they rehab only, or are buy and holders, and are happy to be on all the lists of wholesalers and bird-dogs in town and let the deals come to them. They spend there time and money in the deal, not looking for it.
Wow. Ok, thanks for the replies guys. I wonder how easy it is to get 100% financing for rental properties these days. I've got 0 debt (except mortgage) 780+ credit score and 120k+ income with wife. but no cash.
Nick, you should build some cash reserves before you even consider becoming a landlord. It is expensive and a lot can go wrong. Land lording is not a short-term money generating system.
100% financing is impossible, even for owner occupied properties. The best you can manage on OO is 3.5% or whatever it is FHA loans allow. Investment properties are going to be 20-25% down.
Look for creative deals like lease/options, owner financing and subject to's.
But, owning rental property without cash on hand is a reciepe for disaster. We've had a number of posts to the effect "help! My tenant moved out suddenly and my payment is due and I can't make it, what do I do". Or "Its January and the furnace has croaked and I can't afford $2000 for a new one". You must have enough reserve to cover these sporadic, but totally expected events.
Nick, Jon and the others are absolutely right about cash reserves. My 2nd tenant had been on rental assistance from Day 1, and was suddenly terminated. I've now had to make 2 mortgage payments, taxes were due this quarter, and it will take cash to pay the legal fees and clean up costs - he has no job or assets. He'll be locked out next week but it could take another month or more to find a new tenant.
The situation is painful but not desperate, because we have cash reserves.
Would someone please explain how wholesaling works on the buying end? I would think that most deals are going to be those that are with negative equity. It is unlikely any sane seller would walk away from equity - at least not in my market. That being said, I would think you're then limited to doing short sale/REO flips. I must be missing something here.
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Without writing a book... the only deals that any wholesaler worth their salt would be assigning are deals that came from very motivated sellers.
Every wholesaler knows that if the deal is marginal and they attempt to assign it to an experienced investor... they more then likely will end up buying the same crappy deal they were trying to sell.
Motivated sellers = great deals that can be assigned with significant paydays for all involved.
I buy about 20 properties a year, but I don't like spending time searching for deals; from my perspective, the less time I can spend looking for deals, the more time I can spend on vacation and with my family.
I buy most of my deals right off the MLS. My wife holds her license (just for our business), and we've built great relationships with the REO listing agents in our area, so they generally call us when they have a great deal they're about to list.
BUT, because I don't do any marketing, I have no access to deals that aren't on the MLS. If a wholesaler wants to bring me good deals that I wouldn't have had access to otherwise, I'm happy to pay him whatever his referral fee is, as long as the deal is good for me.
Between REO listing agents and wholesalers, hopefully pretty soon I won't have to spend any time looking for deals...
I have a feeling there are LOTS of investors just like me, who are happy to pay to have deals brought to them...