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Not sure what area in the forum this question should go in.

One of my renters wants to buy the house they have been renting for the last 7 years, but they want me to carry the note.

At first I declined, but I told him I would consider it if they could put 20% down. That would cover any repairs and foreclosure costs if they defaulted. This year the taxes on that house were calculated on $70,000. I worked up an amortization schedule - Sale price $75,000 (owner-finance penalty) with $15,000 down at 7% for 15 years. That would make his payments the same as the rent he's been paying, only the house would be his in 15 years.

Are there any penalties I should worry about such as gains per year for the next 15 years?

Are there any laws in Texas that don't require that they should then be responsible for any repairs and maintenance issues, or is that something that could/should be in the contract.

Thanks


Real Estate Investor · Dallas, Texas


Owner financing is a fantastic way to sell a house in today's market, and a tenant that you have had for 7 years is a great candidate!

You don't have to worry so much about foreclosure costs, IMHO. This is actually much better than renting - they will have more pride in ownership of the house than they had previously. Foreclosure is only expensive if you hire an attorney to do it for you. Carpet and paint is all you will need to get it back in good condition - you don't expect your tenant of 7 years and buyer to walk off with your copper or AC condenser, do you? (I'm sure you wouldn't be considering selling them the house if so!)

Instead of focusing on the amortization of the owner financed note, I would focus on the monthly payment. Your tenant is already renting in terms of monthly payment anyways. So reach an agreement on the sales price, down payment, and monthly payment (PITI and use a loan servicer). This way, you maximize your monthly income off of the note, and the buyer is incentivized to refinance to a lower fixed interest rate as quickly as possible.

Give me a shout if you need more help on this. I specialize in owner financing and we've done over 800 transactions in Texas.


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What sort of rate would you be giving them? For an owner carry, I would start at 8-9%. If they want a 4% rate, tell them to get their credit together (not literally). I wouldn't refer to the extra 5k as a penalty, if you can avoid it.
If I was in your spot, I would offer a fixed rate for 2-4 years and then tell them they need to refinance you to cash you out. To make them at peace with it, you could, provided it's legal, allow them to stay in the loan, but with a rate bump of .5% per year or something like that. This would encourage them to go out and get a loan.
The odds of someone repaying a loan over 15 or 30 years to me are slim. Lots of things change. I have sold rentals to the existing tenants, and it went great. If you're in a position to buy, you might consider a 1031 exchange.
Can these people not qualify for conventional financing? That aside, get the home under contract with deposit and terms before inquiring on this. If they find out they can get financing elsewhere, they may want to buy a different house, and you wouldn't want that...


Real Estate Investor · Dallas, Texas


We don't sell the financing based on interest rate. We sell based on monthly payment. So in other words, if the house would rent for $1000 per month, then the buyer's monthly payment is $1000 per month PITI.

Negotiate from your side of the table, not theirs. You want to most possible cashflow out of the deal, right? They want the lowest possible interest rate out of the deal. So frame the conversation to be negotiating over the monthly payment and not the interest rate. If they want to talk interest rate, tell them they will get a lower fixed interest rate when they refinance. This way, you get the most possible cashflow, and your buyer is incentivized to refinance quickly.


Real Estate Investor · Weatherford, Texas


Travis, could you post a typical seller finance and/or wrap contract you use? Seems if you're doing so many, you've probably got very good documentation. I had not previously considered seller finance, but seems to be very popular right now.


Real Estate Investor · Dallas, Texas


We had to pay an attorney to customize a contract that protected all of the parties in the transaction at the same time, so I can't offer it up to the entire internet. :)

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Real Estate Investor · Weatherford, Texas


hmmmm, sounds expensive. :) but I'm SURE more profitable than a guru course :) I'll be in touch for sure.

Nothing in the works right now, but several FSBO's I'm looking at for flip, rental, or maybe even personal residence.


· Dallas, Texas


you said the payment would be the same thing they are currently paying in rent, but now they should be responsible for insurance, taxes so your "net" will be much higher, also they are now responsible for maintenance


Real Estate Investor · Butte, Montana


A couple of questions..

Why sell if you are going to be getting the same payment as the rent? What is the advantage?

Are these properties that you guys are selling paid off? If not how do you get around the due on sale clause?

Thanks

Travis


Real Estate Investor · Dallas, Texas


By owner financing the property, you eliminate the maintenance and repairs (the buyer now has to take care of that), and the owner should have higher pride of ownership than a renter - since they do own rather than rent. You've also put an exit strategy in place if you are trying to get that equity back out. (Selling a tenant occupied property is otherwise very difficult).

Due on sale clause isn't functionally a problem. The bank just wants their monthly payment on time every month, they don't care where it comes from.


Real Estate Investor · Butte, Montana


Hey Travis (nice first name) are you sure about the due on sale clause? If so are you recording the title or are you waiting?


Real Estate Investor · Dallas, Texas


First, I'd have to preface this by saying that I'm not an attorney, and I am NOT qualified to give you legal advice.

What I can tell you is what we have experienced. We have owner finance wrapped hundreds of houses. To our knowledge, there is only one other person / entity in DFW who has conducted more owner finance wrap transactions than us. We have never had the due on sale clause exercised, nor have we ever heard of it happening. There has been one instance where the bank called up and threatened to exercise their due on sale. We told them to go right ahead; they took no further action. We do not hide the title holder by first putting the property into a trust, then transferring beneficial interest in that trust. If you have to hide the transaction from anyone, you probably shouldn't be conducting that transaction.

Think about it from the bank's perspective. How does a bank make money on mortgages? Well first they originate the loan and charge closing costs / fees. Next, they turn around and sell the note to another institution, at which point they become a loan servicer on behalf of that institution, and are collecting monthly fees for that service. So - having one of their mortgages wrapped does not, in any way, impede their business model or take away from their profitability. In fact, I would argue quite the opposite - letting us wrap the note is actually beneficial to the bank. Reason being that if we did not wrap the note, the (motivated) seller would not be able to sell the house or keep the mortgage current. If the note is current on the payments, then the bank has a performing asset - which fits into their business model.

Furthermore, the bank has substantial costs associated with exercising a due on sale clause. First, they would have to pay an attorney to process the foreclosure (on a performing asset!?). Next, they have substantial holding costs while they try to find out a way to get rid of this property which they now hold on their books. Banks are not in the business of holding property - they are in the business of lending money and collecting fees. For investors, property goes on the asset side of the balance sheet, and debt goes on the liability side. For banks, that is reversed - property is a liability, and debt is an asset.

If you are genuinely concerned with the due on sale clause, I would recommend that you either partner with someone who has conducted many owner finance wraps over the years to assist you, or simply don't get involved in an owner finance wrap transaction.

There's a million strategies out there - you don't have to do them all!


Real Estate Investor · Butte, Montana


Thanks for the informative reply Travis..

Can you tell me the process of selling and recording a property that you own? It is tax time and a lot of young couples with kids get a big chunk back from their returns. I wouldn't mind selling a property in this fashion...




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