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What's the best way to form a niche around closing deals with more investor emphasis, i.e., getting buyers/investors to close on deals with creative financing like wraps, lease options, etc.

I want to form my residential and commercial business by working with motivated sellers and investors through creative purchases. I want to be an in-depth expert at structuring these deals, finding these deals, and negotiating these deals.

One reason for this is that I am an investor myself, and it seems like a lot of agents don't get into the investor perspective too much.

Any ideas? The biggest challenges I see are in the networking in terms of finding the buyers and sellers.


Real Estate Consultant · Tolland, Connecticut


IMO the hardest part of being an agent involved in a creative financing deal is that a lot of creative financing is no or low down. Wihout a substantial downpayment where do you get paid?


· Indianapolis, Indiana


Minna,

You can charge a "fee for service" or a some kind of marketing fee to make a deal happen

While you can not always charge the "normal" percentage that you would when working as a traditional agent in these types of deals, you can always negotiate a non-traditional type of fee with the Buyer or Seller that makes sense to both parties.

While you can never lose your "Agent" tag completely, agents who work in these types of deals must think, and act, more like an investor and/or birdog than a traditional real estate agent.

Agents just need to be much more cautious due to your license law. (For example: Net Listings are illegal in my state, so do not get too creative without examining the laws of your state first)


Real Estate Agent · Anderson, South Carolina


Harrison and Minna J bring up very good points.

Minna J mentioned how you will be paid is the big hurdle for many creative deals. And since the odds of a creative deal ever closing are sometimes small, many agents shy awy from them.

Legality and liability for the agent is also a big concern. CYA when doing any creative deals for yourself or anyone else. Research the laws in your state frontwards and backwards so you can be sure to not just comply but also to ensure no ethics complaints.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Minna- MANY years ago when I was a broker, I'd take notes as commission. It generated great income to spend on a monthly basis, kept my pulse on the property and my buyer. Also allowed buyer to purchase more, since I didn't take his cash. This 1 method allowed me to retire at a very young age and live off note income for many years. There were also other benefits.


· Indianapolis, Indiana


Rich, that is a great idea! I have never heard of anybody doing that before.

Would it be possible for you to explain more on how to do that?



In terms of getting paid, it would depend on the terms or structure and it would come from the buyer or seller.

There was one idea from William Bronchick about getting buyers who would purchase properties conventionally with extremely low interest rates, and then having them do a wraparound with a buyer having difficulty. That seems to me to be a bit more difficult to implement.


Real Estate Investor · Altus, Oklahoma


Originally posted by Harrison Painter
Rich, that is a great idea! I have never heard of anybody doing that before.

Would it be possible for you to explain more on how to do that?


x2 Rich I would also like more info on how you did that?

Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Not sure this is going to be a quick answer, but it will help you give you other ideas to consider in a tough lending environment.
MANY years ago , I was a licensed broker in CA and CO. There are multiple parties to every transaction- obviously a buyer and seller, but also a realtor (or 2) and a lender(or 2)!!
Example. property for 100K. Lender will make an ltv of ??? 10%, 20% or 25%.
Seller needs to net ???
Buyer has ??? for down and costs.
If it was up to those 2, most deals would get done. However, when you add the realtor, it gets more difficult.
100,000 property. Buyer has 10% down, but lender will only make an 80% loan. Deal is 10K short of going together. Would the lender consider a 10/10? 10% down and seller takes a 10% 2nd? Many times , the answer was yes. Lender still is only doing an 80% loan so he is happy. Buyer spends his 10%, so he is happy. Seller gets almost all cash for his "net equity". He gets a 2nd mortgage for 10% at a certain rate and terms. The realtor agrees to take that as his commission.
This deal gets buyer, lender, and seller pretty happy. If the seller is unhappy about giving you a 10% commission instead of 6%, tell him it isn't cash, and you have to wait for your money. You can always bump the selling price a couple grand over what seller wants and that covers his difference on the commission from 6-10%. Buyer won't quibble over 10-15 dollars more on his monthly pmt. Hes' elated to get in at a lower down payment.
I did this many times. Where the BIG money comes in is on big deals. Apts are tough to get financed. If realtor is willing to take his commission in a note, it makes him a very desireable realtor to a lot more sellers. I had some complexes where it had been sold several times with new 2nds, 3rds or wraps going on. It helps a lot of deals happen. When I retired at age 29, I moved to central CA with 1.6 million in notes. This was when avg note carried a 10% rate. I was making 14K a month , just on interest before walking out the door each morning!! And, my principal was staying the same. When notes would pay off, I'd buy more.
There is a second part to this that was even more fun!! Go find a free and clear property where seller will carry the financing. Offer him several notes instead of him carrying a new note on his property. He is better off. The notes you give him are seasoned, more flexible because they're varying sizes and you end up with a free and clear property that you then go re-fi and the circle starts all over again!!
Ain't real estate amazing?? This can and has been done. I also used to buy notes at a discount, and then trade them for free and clear properties at FULL face value. That also helps with enormous returns.
I hope this answers the questions from Harrison and Mr. Investor. Any other thoughts, just chime in. Rich.


· Indianapolis, Indiana


Rich, that is true creative genius........Thank you so much for sharing this with everyone.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Harrison, you're too nice. I had NO money when I got started and HAD to be creative. Financing methods and LEGALLY avoiding taxes are my specialty. I like win-win-win situations, and this is. Good luck.


Real Estate Investor · Altus, Oklahoma


Yes thanks for explaining Rich.



Originally posted by Rich Weese
Minna- MANY years ago when I was a broker, I'd take notes as commission. It generated great income to spend on a monthly basis, kept my pulse on the property and my buyer. Also allowed buyer to purchase more, since I didn't take his cash. This 1 method allowed me to retire at a very young age and live off note income for many years. There were also other benefits.

What's the best way to present his option to buyers/sellers?


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


I have structured that very same thing (mostly with apartments, but a few times on residential) and had the agent take back a note for their commissions. It is a great strategy to keep more money in your pocket (as the buyer) and the agent gets an income stream each month.

What's the best way to present his option to buyers/sellers?
You need to approach the agent and structure the deal with them, not the seller. The seller has nothing to do with that portion.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
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Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


John H- BE HONEST!!! Buyer and seller want the deal done, just explain it to them openly. You are there as a facilitator, not a deal killer. I never had much trouble explaining it to parties.
to nationwide- yes, the buyer keeps money, the agent creates an income stream AND the seller gets his property sold, which is the key to the entire process...Rich.


· Indianapolis, Indiana


In our current economic climate, would you consider this to still be a safe method?

If so,what are we looking for in a deal to maximize success and minimize notes that could go into default?


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Speaking for single family homes, you may encounter the problem that the agent will not agree as they very well may be hurting for closing commissions in these gard times and can not wait for their commission. That should be your only hurdle. As Rich stated, everyone else is happy, seller sells property & buyer keeps more cash.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
info@barnardenterprises.com


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Harrison, as far as minimizing deafults that will be between the agent and buyer. In my experience, I have already developed a rleationship with the agent and ths, they were comfortable carrying the commission note. It may be more difficult to get this done with a new agent (new to you) and in these hard times.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
info@barnardenterprises.com


Real Estate Investor · Altus, Oklahoma


Can this work with investors or do you need to be an agent/broker to do it?


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Harrison-Taking a note is NEVER as safe as getting cash, but it may be the only way to get the deal done.
Nation-Again, even stupid realtors should take a note to see a deal close in these times. The ones that are creative will be the ones that win in this marketplace imo.
Mr.-- As an investor you'd be receiving something back that you should divulge to all parties, including lender, imo.


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