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BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


I saw a post on Twitter that I had to respond to . . . of course, the response and initial post are priceless, IMO.

First Tweet:

If a home is listed for $25k, assume it's a fixer-upper. No need to email me and ask for a list of repairs. The house is broken, it's $25k. (link)

My Response:

Wouldn't you say that a buyer/investor would like to know the needed repairs to make an appropriate offer?(link)

Her response:

that's not my job. My job is to sell the property "as-is." I'm just the listing agent. (link)

Am I in the wrong here? Or, is it the responsibility of a listing agent to know these things?

I look forward to your feedback here, and if you feel like responding on Twitter, I've supplied links to the 3 tweets above.

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Real Estate Investor · Salem, Oregon


In my area they are supposed to know & disclose all know repairs needed on most properties, but that does not apply to Foreclosures. Because the bank can not know what is needed, there is nothing to disclose (even if there is something obvious. Only once its inspected does the Real Estate agent have to disclose any repairs needed.

Though that does seem a bit odd to give such a short and some what rude answers.


Real Estate Investor · New Jersey


At least in NJ, when a property is listed with an agent, owner is required to fill out a full disclosure form where they answer comprehensive questions on the condition of practically everything.

The agent is therefore in the know of these conditions and are legally bound to disclose these to the buyer... IF they ask.


Commercial Real Estate Broker · Canton, Georgia


Banks are not required to fill out a property disclosure.

They are selling "as-is".

During due diligence a buyer has their "right to their own inquiry".Meaning if they want to spend the money to satisfy whatever report or inspection they want they can go ahead.

If a listing agent only has one picture the inside is usually trashed or the agent is just lazy with the pictures.

I like to give a overview of condition but say "information deemed reliable but not guaranteed".

There is simply no way for a broker/agent to know all problems associated with a property.With my listings I want to be 100% transparent with the numbers and the condition I see.

It makes no sense to blow smoke and then pray the buyer will overlook things.What happens is everyone's time is wasted and the buyer cancels the contract.You look bad to your seller and the buyer and have now lost 2 clients for future business.

So give the information you know and be accurate as much as you can with the data.


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I'm a bit torn on this one Josh. This is similar to the question asked by wholesalers about how to estimate repairs. I got a wholesale lead a couple weeks ago where the repair estimate was $15k. I walked the place, and would be putting about $100k into it to get the sales price they claimed $15k would pull. His problem was that he took his estimate from the owners. The home probably could have been made complete for $15k, but still would have been completely outdated, with no curb appeal.

Where do you draw the line with this stuff? I agree that agents should have some knowledge of the properties they sell. They should know if the plumbing doesn't work, the electric doesn't work, the walls are missing, or the roof is shot. I believe the NAR requires that an agent disclose these defects even if their seller requests them not to.

The problem then is that all of these could be in decent shape, and the home still require a lot of work. The layout could be ****, the cabinets could be hideous, etc. Should the agents have to tell the buyer that everything is outdated and worn out? Even then, every buyer will have their own idea of what needs to be done. I've seen cabinets painted that I would tear out, or carpets cleaned that I would replace. I may even replace windows that don't leak or a roof that has an ugly color.

In my mind, the agent should know if the mechanicals work, as well as the roof/windows/etc. I do not think they are responsible for a complete list of work that needs to be done to a property. Any investor who is relying on someone elses scope-of-work is asking for trouble.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


IMHO agents are salespeople selling houses. They're not contractors nor inspectors. They might be able to point out obvious problems and might give ballpark figures as to costs, but that's not their responsibility.

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BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


Marc - That's my line of thinking. I'm not saying that agents need to be able to give estimates, but they should know the general condition of the property.

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Note Investor · Pasadena, California


I'd like to think that anytime you're selling anything, the more information you provide, the better the buyer feels about making a decision.

With that logic, if I'm an agent trying to sell a MAJOR purchase, I should probably provide as much information as possible.

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Real Estate Investor · Austin, Texas


I don't think it is the listing agent's "job" either, but it would certainly be helpful for them to supply more information. I wouldn't trust the agent's assessment of repairs any more than I would trust their pro formas for selling apartment complexes....call me cynical I guess.

We had a lengthy thread about the value of agents several months ago. I think the thread above demonstrates how much value they generally add when listing property.

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BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


Sounds like the consensus from the investor crowd is that agents should facilitate transactions and get out of the way....

What about the regular Joe who isn't sophisticated? Who does he turn to when it isn't the agent's job to provide these details for him?

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Real Estate Investor · Austin, Texas


Regular Joe uses an inspector as the normal part of the buying process. I think the system works just fine...and the agents should stick to working with Regular Joe given their lack of accountability and laziness.

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SFR Investor · Orange County, California


Originally posted by Marc Freislinger
In my mind, the agent should know if the mechanicals work, as well as the roof/windows/etc. I do not think they are responsible for a complete list of work that needs to be done to a property. Any investor who is relying on someone elses scope-of-work is asking for trouble.

I agree. Some real estate agents I know have a great deal of experience with home repair and construction, having worked as or for a contractor in the past, or are active investors. Then there are some that couldn't tell the difference between a 3" box nail and a 3" deck screw. Of course, their job is to show and sell the home, not build one. However, they should be able to at least give you an idea of it's general condition and any specifics they're aware of.

I'm interested in the biggies, i.e., are any windows broken/missing, are any appliances included (working or not), does the place appear vandalized, has any landscaping survived, holes in the walls or roof, what type of flooring and it's condition, etc.? I don't ask about paint since I assume it'll need some. If they seem to have a fair grasp of the items above, I'll ask more, such as the status of the plumbing, electrical, and HVAC and see what they can tell me. If nothing, because they haven't been trained or never got a pre-sale inspection, I'll let it go.


Note Investor · Pasadena, California


To add to Bryan's comments, at this point in my life I unfortunately have the utmost lowest expectations for anyone anywhere.

So, when you find a good one, keep that relationship!

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Real Estate Agent · Anderson, South Carolina


As a LISTING agent, I will tell you what I know or has been disclosed as material fact to me. And I will add the caveat that for your protection I strongly suggest you inspect the property yourself and determine which qualified professionals a buyer should use to help them determine the condition.

It is not that I am lazy or have a lack of accountability. It is that I am an real estate agent not a contractor, inspector, structural engineer etc etc. I will not be put into a position of liability or held accountable because a buyer will not perform their own due diligence.

Working as a BUYERS AGENT, I will tear the property a new one but still give you the same caveat.


Residential Real Estate Agent · Phoenix, Arizona


I don't think it's the agent's responsibility to point out repairs - as soon as an agent makes a "list of repairs", someone is going to sue because something was left off. Agents aren't home inspectors or contractors.

I do wish more of them would mention in the listing that there's a major issue (that isn't obvious from the pictures) if they know about it - i.e., "stinks like cat pee"... "missing hvac", etc... that's only fair.

But if you're in a $200k market and a property is listed for $25k, asking an agent for a list of repairs is pretty silly. You're buying dirt, not a house at that price.


SFR Investor · Orange County, California


Originally posted by Mark H.
I don't think it's the agent's responsibility to point out repairs - as soon as an agent makes a "list of repairs", someone is going to sue because something was left off. Agents aren't home inspectors or contractors.

I agree, but I don't think anybody is asking the listing agent to perform a house inspection for them, just provide a good idea of what they're dealing with so they can decide if they want to move forward or not.

To the untrained eye, a missing dishwasher may seem about the same as a missing A/C condenser (after all they're about the same size, right?). But we know better, like a 12" hole in the wall is less serious than a 3" hole in a window, a garbage disposal that doesn't run is much better than a furnace fan that doesn't.

This is one reason I like to shop nearby our home so I can view property myself. If you're simply going to buy something clear across the country, sight unseen, you better have somebody out there you trust, with the knowledge and experience you need to properly evaluate the property, and the listing agent isn't that person.


Real Estate Investor · memphis, Tennessee


It's like actually providing a service to a customer has gone completely out the window. It may not be her responsibility to know, but wouldn't it be great if she did know. If she had walked through the property and could provide a quick list of some major things. Or better yet, if she responded to Josh that she could assist him in getting that information. That's probably a different topic, but I am looking at from strictly a service perspective and not fiduciary perspective.

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Residential Real Estate Agent · Springfield, New Jersey


As a listing agent for REO's, I better have an idea about condition...I'm completing a repair addendum ON THE BPO! I'm not a contractor, but I do have to list the repairs and come up with a number on the BPO. Also, if a buyer/investor calls on a property, I'm going to tell them every thing I know about the condition of the property, systems, oil tank, etc. because if that particular buyer isn't interested in doing that kind of work, than I won't be wasting my time running out and showing the property. I get calls all the time from people wanting to buy that REO for $30,000, and they think it is in move in condition. Obviously I'm going to explain that it needs...everything. It's a little part of the process called 'qualifying the buyer'. This person mentioned above is just plain rude, inexperienced, or whatever...


BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


Chris - In this day and age, service is out the window across industry. That's why places like Zappos stand out.

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Real Estate Investor · memphis, Tennessee


Originally posted by Joshua Dorkin
Chris - In this day and age, service is out the window across industry. That's why places like Zappos stand out.

It's off topic I know, but the book 'Delivering Happiness" by Tony Hsieh of Zappos should be required reading for anyone providing any service and we believe in that philosophy so much that our staff of 24 are visiting Zappos headquarters for their Customer Service tour this year. Half in August and the other half in October.

There is no substitute for treating people right and doing just a little extra.

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