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Real Estate Investor · Charlotte, North Carolina


I wanted to share this with the forum for a few reasons...first, to show newbies how possible it is with hard work and determination...second, to thank everyone on Bigger Pockets who has helped me so far..i know i will still have a long way to go, and this is by no means a how-to guide, as i made several mistakes along the way!!! however, what saved me from being upside down at the end of everything was that i bought at the right price..if you can remember to do that, to not get itchy for a deal and just do a deal bc you want to, if you can show the patience and skill to get the right deal at the right price, then you can be successful!!! now on to the deal...

I purchased a 4 unit property in mid november for 53,500. At the time, I thought it needed about 10,000 of work. Using a hard money lender I came across here (thanks BP), I was able to fund the deal. QUICK NOTE ON HARD MONEY LENDERS FOR NEWBIES....you will need to verify income and credit, and probably put down 10% as i had to do...i do not know of any lenders willing to wire you cash w/o seeing your income and credit, and without you having money in the deal..if you know of some, pm me!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: My application had to of been at least 30 pages with bank statements, specifics on my past deal, a statement on my expertise, and my father's (i use him for construction contacts as he's been building homes since before i was born), etc...there was a ton of paperwork, and it didnt' fund in 2 weeks..this took a month or 2 to set up. After getting into the rehab, there were a few extra things that I could do the cheap way or the right way...i decided to look for a partner for extra money...after a while i came across someone who would fund the rest of the rehab costs for 40% of profits...not ideal, but i wanted this to be done right, and so i settled for this. After all is said and done, the rehab plus holding costs will be around 20,000. Add that to the 53,500, I'm in for 73,500. The reason I didn't write this months ago was bc I did not consider this a success until I had the appraisal finished and had this refinanced. The appraisal came in at 120,000. The bank is starting the refinance process, and should be completed within a few weeks. 1 unit is rented at 450. I have received plenty of calls on the other 3, but no one that I felt comfortable with, for various reasons. I have found winter, esp. the holidays, is a very tough time to find tenants. Hopefully, another unit or 2 will be rented soon though, as I do get calls daily on the units. I learned a lot on this deal, and as a result, I will have to give up 40% of my profits one day whenever I sell. However, I preferred to do the rehab the correct way, as I said. I am currently looking for my next deal to fund through hard money again, as I have developed a good relationship with my banker, and he will be ready to refinance again. thanks for reading, and good luck to the other nexbies....


Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


Great Job!!!!!
Great example of how
"NOT TO BE GREEDY"!!!!!


Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


Did you refinance out of the hard money loan?


Real Estate Investor · Charlotte, North Carolina


ty..thanks for the support, but i can not lie..i would have loved that other 40% too lol....


Real Estate Investor · Charlotte, North Carolina


qkjones..are you askingmy exit strategy, or trying to clear up if the refinance has closed? this was copy and pasted from my first post on this thread...

The appraisal came in at 120,000. The bank is starting the refinance process, and should be completed within a few weeks.

thus, yes, i am in the process of refinancing...it has not officially closed yet, nor have i paid off the hard money lender...this should all be finished in a matter of weeks..


Real Estate Investor · Portland, Oregon


Thanks Bryan for sharing and being upfront about the snags you ran into along the way ... as you said, you bought at the right price so it worked out - congrats!!


Real Estate Investor · Charlotte, North Carolina


thanks ted..i think it's important for the newbies that are reading this to not be afraid of mistakes..they WILL happen..just be as ready and flexible as you can..thanks again


Real Estate Investor · Houston, Texas


Thanks, that was a good read


Real Estate Investor · america


nice going man,you really came through on this deal,congratulations


Real Estate Investor · Charlotte, North Carolina


thanks stephen..learned a lot on this one...i know i held you in limbo for a while, sorry to do that, but i wanted to make sure the refinance was going through and everything and i was waiting for the appraisal..now that it's been done, i can talk about it openly with you lol


Real Estate Investor · Charlotte, North Carolina


update...2 more units rented out yesterday for 400 each. that brings gross monthly income to 1250, with one unit still vacant. would love to get that final unit rented!! also, how can i find out who voted my posts up so i can thank them?? thanks--bryan


Real Estate Investor · Portland, Oregon


click on the ? next to votes and it'll show you who voted ... congrats again!


Wholesaler · Memphis, Tennessee


Hard money loans are so risky these days that you need to get a really good deal. I have seen so many clients get burned by the appraisal coming in extremely lower then expected. I would tell new investors thinking of getting a hard money loan to have at least $30k in reserves so in case of a low appraisal you have the funds to still refinance with the bank. Ask me how I know this?

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Real Estate Investor · Charlotte, North Carolina


curt, if i had 30k in reserves, i wouldn't need to pay for hard money...at least with the lower income properties i work with...thanks for the votes people!!


Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, California


Hard money acts like bank capital, nowadays.


Banker


Good inspiring write up.


Real Estate Investor · Mobile, Alabama


I can tell you from experience that you don't always need credit or income to get hard money.
I renovate houses and my first loan came from a local attorney after we met for lunch only once.
Didn't ask how my credit was, my job, etc.
He just wanted to know that his money was tied to a secured asset and he was only loaning 70% of what the property was worth.
Any investor will take this deal if they feel comfortable with it.
Read the whole story on my blog below...


Real Estate Investor · Charlotte, North Carolina


hey brooks, nice site there...good point on the financing too...i've found since doing a few deals that networking can be your credit....


Real Estate Investor · Mobile, Alabama


Everything in life is sales whether we like it or not!
I'm not even sure if I could get a hard money loan, as I'm not very good with getting tax returns done on time :)
Thank goodness for private lenders that I have come across!
Speaking of, get in contact with me if you want to lend down in Alabama, lunch on me to discuss....


Real Estate Lender · Chicago, Illinois


Originally posted by Brooks Conkle
I can tell you from experience that you don't always need credit or income to get hard money.
I renovate houses and my first loan came from a local attorney after we met for lunch only once.
Didn't ask how my credit was, my job, etc.
He just wanted to know that his money was tied to a secured asset and he was only loaning 70% of what the property was worth.
Any investor will take this deal if they feel comfortable with it.
Read the whole story on my blog below...

I would have to agree. Many small, individual, local Hard Money Lenders such as myself make will make loans on their gut. The stronger the deal you have made on your purchase the less likely you have to put up cash.
You just have to keep looking til you find us.

Also, glad to hear the OP had success with the refi. This is actually one of the biggest stumbling blocks for investors who use hard money and the biggest reason they get in trouble with HM loans. They underestimate the difficulty of getting the refi and are stuck with the HML long term. HML should not be long term funding. You need to really investigate the possibility and requirements for refi before entering the HM deal.

Good Job!
Eric




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