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Real Estate Investor · Chemnitz, Saxonia


I found an ad for a MHP in SC at another REI Forum, this is the ad:

" We need to move this property so that we can invest in another opportunity. It's a Mobile Home Park in SC. It needs some work but has the potential to bring in about $3k. It has some cash flow now! Here are the details:
will Finance....No credit Check, No qualifying
Purchase Price: $95k Down Payment: $3500
Monthly Note: $995.00
We will do this under a lease purchase.
We NEED to move this and close on it no later than two weeks "

I wrote with the seller and its an 8 space park with possible 2 more. 7 spaces with park owned mobile homes (rent $350) and 1 vacant space.
3 of the mobile homes are rented, 4 vacant. These 4 mobile homes needs approx $5k for repairs. There is a waitlist for the vacant homes said the seller and the lease time is for always for 1 year.
GI is $29,4k with 100% occupancy, the NOI should be $17k.

Is this an rentable MHP? The price is negotiable and the monthly lease rate too.
If I buy the Cleveland Mixed Building I still have some money for that scenario. Only these properties be 600 miles apart.

-Uwe


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Originally posted by Uwe Siegert
I found an ad for a MHP in SC at another REI Forum, this is the ad:

" We need to move this property so that we can invest in another opportunity. It's a Mobile Home Park in SC. It needs some work but has the potential to bring in about $3k. It has some cash flow now! Here are the details:
will Finance....No credit Check, No qualifying
Purchase Price: $95k Down Payment: $3500
Monthly Note: $995.00
We will do this under a lease purchase.
We NEED to move this and close on it no later than two weeks "

I wrote with the seller and its an 8 space park with possible 2 more. 7 spaces with park owned mobile homes (rent $350) and 1 vacant space.
3 of the mobile homes are rented, 4 vacant. These 4 mobile homes needs approx $5k for repairs. There is a waitlist for the vacant homes said the seller and the lease time is for always for 1 year.
GI is $29,4k with 100% occupancy, the NOI should be $17k.

Is this an rentable MHP? The price is negotiable and the monthly lease rate too.
If I buy the Cleveland Mixed Building I still have some money for that scenario. Only these properties be 600 miles apart.

-Uwe


As a opinion on this here is what I would say... the park is too small to operate as a stand alone property. That said, if you lived very close, or if you had another property and this was in its shadow things might change.
One more point... Mobile home parks. as investments, can be looked at in one of two ways. One is a land lease- very few expenses, managing tenants and repairing infrastructure. The other option is really a flat apartment complex. Except your dealing with a mobile home, not a stick built building. You will have maintenance and repairs 24/7 on homes and infrastructure. You also need to separate out the income. Pad rent is caped at one rate, and the rentals have their own expenses, their own income and you need to value that as its own business.

OK- the opinion part of this is over... now- what is the income, expenses, proximity to the nearest major airport, how much will the flight cost, how many lay overs will you have. Who manages the property now, what does the lease look like, will you have title to the homes, does it have public utilities?


Real Estate Investor · Richmond, Virginia


Uwe, I think it certainly presents a good possibility. In running the numbers it looks like the Note is written at 12.75%. I would bet, based on their motivation level you can improve on what they are asking in order to enhance the deal for you.

Also, what research have you been able to do concerning the area, and other factors like:

1. How long have they owned it?
2. How much land does it include?
3. Will any of the monthly lease pmt be credited to you toward the purchase?
4. Will they turn over to you their waiting list of potential renters?
5. What is your long-term strategy for the park? Hold, Fix-up & Rent, or Hold, Fix-up and Sell via owner financing? You could always sell the seller financing if you decide to "cash-out" completely due to the distance.

Just a few thoughts. Hope this helps. Take care,

BTW, where in SC? I previously lived in SC a number of years and continue to do investments there.


Real Estate Investor · Chemnitz, Saxonia


Thanks for your advice guys.

Jim-
The airport is 10 miles away, thats not a problem, but I live in Germany today, that can be the problem :).
To your last questions, a property manager works for the current owner (they live in NC), he owns the park since 5 years, a note is on the park with $37k, this is why the owner doing a lease purchase. The note rate is $379 monthly I negotiate with the price today he is willing to go to $85k and $758 monthly rate. The mobile homes owned by the park. So the park is operated as apartment complex. In Cleveland I can buy a 8 unit building and a 7-8 unit park is really good for add income.

Bud-
Yes the negotiation is promising. To your questions:
1. 5 years.
2. approx 15,000 sqf (190 x 78).
3. Yes, the other half of the payment ($379).
4. Short, yes.
5. Only hold, rent, hold, rent, improve and so on.

It helps thank you :). The park lies between Greenville and Spartanburg.

-Uwe


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Originally posted by Uwe Siegert
Thanks for your advice guys.

Jim-
The airport is 10 miles away, thats not a problem, but I live in Germany today, that can be the problem :).
To your last questions, a property manager works for the current owner (they live in NC), he owns the park since 5 years, a note is on the park with $37k, this is why the owner doing a lease purchase. The note rate is $379 monthly I negotiate with the price today he is willing to go to $85k and $758 monthly rate. The mobile homes owned by the park. So the park is operated as apartment complex. In Cleveland I can buy a 8 unit building and a 7-8 unit park is really good for add income.

Bud-
Yes the negotiation is promising. To your questions:
1. 5 years.
2. approx 15,000 sqf (190 x 78).
3. Yes, the other half of the payment ($379).
4. Short, yes.
5. Only hold, rent, hold, rent, improve and so on.

It helps thank you :). The park lies between Greenville and Spartanburg.

-Uwe


Uwe,
The numbers are looking better. I am not wild about the vacant homes. I would want a larger presence in the area. One trip will eat a big hole in the income if speard out over so few sites.

I really should clarify I buy these parks and rely on how well they do to life on... so these are investments and income...

There are two parks for sale in Peru Indiana, $60,000 down and they have a NOI over that $60,000 mark... I think they are offered at a 19 CAP. They have owner financing, non recourse financing, fixed for 10 years and then a small bump for the next 5 years...

They are listed by a real estate broker in Lafayette Indiana... Metropolitan Real Estate I think... I think the broker is Charley Caufman... It was still listed a few weeks ago... Sub-meter water, allocate trash and it goes over a 20 CAP... anyway... there are lots of great deals out there...


Real Estate Investor · Chemnitz, Saxonia


Jim,

You right its a little park, but I have after the purchase in Cleveland only $10-12k left and a mobile home park for approx $8,5k out of pockets is attractive.
I looking now in Ohio or Indiana/New York in this week.

-Uwe


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Originally posted by Uwe Siegert
Jim,

You right its a little park, but I have after the purchase in Cleveland only $10-12k left and a mobile home park for approx $8,5k out of pockets is attractive.
I looking now in Ohio or Indiana/New York in this week.

-Uwe


For the cash, the park works... so long as the size and other issues do not get in the way...

Real Estate Investor · Chemnitz, Saxonia


I found now 2 other in NY, with 17 and 31 spaces from the same owner. He wants $159k and $259k, the NOI looking good, but he will min 20% down. So its not work for me :(. I look further.

With the SC park I pass, its to far away from Cleveland and with only 40% occupancy I must invest many time for this.

-Uwe


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Uwe, I've never bought a park, but I've done some serious due diligence on three of them, so I have advice from experience.

Most important, is the park on sewer or septic? Septic systems for mobile home parks can be a serious problem, and have to be investigated carefully.

Call the local police and find out what the crime rate is inside the park. I thought I'd found a good one until I discovered that the police averaged 6 calls per week to the park, all of them for serious and often vilolent crimes. I figured it would cost too much to clean the park out and build it back up to where it was paying again.

I had to reject another because the fire marshal informed me that I wouldn't be allowed to make even the most minor changes to the park unless I brought it up to fire code. Current fire code required 2 entrances. The highway department said no way on earth would they allow me to cut another driveway into the highway.

The last park fell through because the owner had leased a barn to a car repair business and refused to allow me to do an environmental survey. I didn't want to get stuck with paying to clean up 50 years worth of oil, anti-freeze, and diesel spilled directly onto the ground.


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One last suggestion: verify independently the cost of insurance. As far as I know, there is only one company that will insure older mobile homes and their rates for commercial mobile home (ie: rental) are quite high. I am paying $800-$900 a year for mobiles that have no cash value at all. I'd have to pay to have them removed.

Also find out if you must have high wind or flooding insurance. That's costly, too.


Real Estate Investor · Dallas, Texas


Originally posted by P NW
One last suggestion: verify independently the cost of insurance. As far as I know, there is only one company that will insure older mobile homes and their rates for commercial mobile home (ie: rental) are quite high. I am paying $800-$900 a year for mobiles that have no cash value at all. I'd have to pay to have them removed. .

P NW, why don't you buy liability insurance only for your depreciated mobile homes?


Real Estate Investor · Chemnitz, Saxonia


P NW,

With the Mobile Home Park in SC was only an crank from me. I don´t have any experience with an Mobile Home Park, because in Germany there are not many of them.
When I interested in any propertie then I drill down on this.

Thanks for your help here, I learn something new.

-Uwe



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[[[......P NW, why don't you buy liability insurance only for your depreciated mobile homes?....]]]]

Jon, I'd love to, but I haven't been able to find anyone who will sell me just liability. I assume it is because most of the claims they pay out are for liability and they want the income from the fire insurance that will never be collected on.

The insurance company that insures my personal house will extend liability from that policy to cover liability on my bare land, but they won't do it for a rental.


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