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K W

· Southern California, California


We are in the process of refinancing our home to combine a first and second at the lower rates. We are in a mountain resort area in California and based on things I'd seen around town, thought our home would appraise for $350-375,000. Shock of our lives, we got the appraisal and it was only $280,000! We felt it was wrong, so we paid another $400 to get it reappraised - - came in within $5,000 of the first one!

We still qualify for our refi, but it makes me wonder about the appraisal process in general, and the values of the properties we are looking at buying.

We are still watching for the perfect 3-4 unit property. Has anyone had any trouble getting their appraisals to come in at their purchase price?

My lender said the government started new appraisal rules on May 1, and the lenders are no longer able to communicate with the appraisers. There is now an intermediary company, so of cource the appraisers are making less and we are paying more.

What's your experience with recent appraisals in the market?

Thanks!


Real Estate Investor · Rochester Hills, Michigan


The new rules that went into effect on 5/1 are called HVCC (home valuation code of conduct) - search the boards here and you can find a few posts from an appraiser who gives his thoughts.

Unfortunately appraised value matters more today then at another other time - I have posted here a few times about the importance of getting an appraiser to give you values - meaning you can't rely on your own comps - on Realtor comps anymore - you really need to spend the $$ for a value check / desktop or actual appraisal…can save a lot of headache before you buy a property.

Unfortunately there isn't' a lot that we can do about it. I did hear a rumor that someone (I think a congressmen from Alabama or Mississippi) has offered up a bill to stop HVCC for 18 months - about all we can do is contact our federal reps and tell them to support or offer up their own elimination of HVCC.

As you found out - going to another appraiser didn't help - so unfortunately there isn't much you can do.

Also - not sure HVCC is to blame in this case - would need to see the appraisal and other comps out there but things like time adjustments are gone so the appraisers have no choice but to use whatever has sold in the last 3 months - that also means your value could change tomorrow + or -. If there are only three comps and they at $280K - if another comp comes in at $400K tomorrow then your value goes up a lot - if another one comes in at $200K you just lost a lot - so in a market where there are few sales the next sale really sets the market.

So all you can do is wait on your refi - or if it still works as you said you can go through with it - just be 100% sure you pay for the value check or desktop or full appraisal on the investment (if your financing for sure!) to be 100% you can get the deal done or be prepared to kick in more $$ or pay all cash.

Just know with financing the lender can no longer communicate or select the appraiser - so even if you get something done upfront there is no guarantee that the final appraisal that is used will be at the same value - just have to have plan B (generally more $$ to put in the deal) to make it happen.


K W

· Southern California, California


Thanks Scott. Regarding this statement:

"just be 100% sure you pay for the value check or desktop or full appraisal on the investment "

What do you mean by value check or desktop? Are those other ways to determine the value of a property?

A home nearby recently sold (a regular sale) and the appraisal came in a full $100,000 less than the sale price, so the whole deal fell apart.

I guess what I am worred about, is when I buy a property I want to be sure I don't offer any more than it will appraise at. I don't want to spend $500 on an inspection and over $400 on an appraisal if the deal won't close.

Looking for suggestions - thanks!!


Real Estate Investor · Rochester Hills, Michigan


Call up an appraiser and ask them to do one of three tings....

- Value check: $25 (approx)
- Desktop appraisal: $75 (approx)
- Full appraisal: $300-500

Now - do you do this for every property your looking at - no - this is where focusing in on an area and getting to know it comes in handy. Realtors providing comps are a good way to go (generally free or cheaper) for your initial research but before you close on a property you should really practice the "investment" part of real estate and pay for one of those three from an actual appraiser.

As for what they are yes - you are correct - different reports to help determine what a lender might accept as the value.

Be sure to tell the appraiser to only pull comps that would be lender approved for the property or you will get all sorts of things.


K W

· Southern California, California


Great, that helps a lot, thanks! I've never used an appraiser on my own, only when getting a loan. it's good to know I have that option.


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