I placed 3 offers in the last month in California, one of them over asking price. Lost all 3 to cash buyers. I'm offering 20-25% down and have an excellent crredit rating. What's a body to do?
I placed 3 offers in the last month in California, one of them over asking price. Lost all 3 to cash buyers. I'm offering 20-25% down and have an excellent crredit rating. What's a body to do?
Scott that is good...
There are a lot of variables to consider here. What is your exit stratigy? Are you offering on REO's? If you are, go to a local bank and get set up on their portfolio loan program so that you can offer cash. Also you need to offer on a lot more than 3 properties if your bidding on REO's... I do 4 to 5 offers a day and get 1 to 20/25 ratios... You could also get in front of the biggest REO Realtors in your area. Let them know your serious and that you want deals and are ready to spend money... Be honest about what you bring to the table and they will respond... Good luck ...
You're at a big disadvantage when going against cash buyers .... even if your offer is higher, good chance seller will opt for the cash buyer to avoid all the variables that go with someone trying to finance a property. I'd suggest making more offers with the understanding you will have a low acceptance rate.
Welcome to the land of REO investing. Cash is king and it is oh, so true when it comes to REOs.
About two years ago, we learned that lesson pretty quick. If you want the deal, you are going to have to offer cash for REOs.
Learn about the kinds of financing that allow you to make "cash" offers (hard money, private, loc's on other stuff). Every offer I've made for the last 3 years has been a "cash" offer when I didn't have a dime (well, at one point I may have had a couple grand). Being a "cash" buyer allowed me to buy at the level that financed buyers can't touch.
Even though I'm a novice, I agree that cash is king. Out of the 3 homes we have bought (one yet to close), two of those homes were REO's and our offers were cash and we got them. The third and most recent one we are going to finance and chose to do that with this one because it's an actual owner. Well, it's an estate situation but there wasn't a risk of getting out bid since they accepted our offer and no bank involved. I say definitely see if there is a way as the others have suggested where you can be in a position to offer cash.
Our next REO we'll offer cash and will be able to do that because we are financing this most recent one and keeping the cash in reserve for the next bank owned.
Wow Dustin, 3-4 a day?? I'd be scared to get accepted offers on all of them LOL! But then again we wouldn't be in a position to afford 3-4 at one time. Right now we are just going after one at a time and so far I'd say since we started this we've only put in maybe 6 offers and ended up with accepted offers on 3 (one a non-REO). So not too bad I think :D
Hi Nick,
The point about "cash" is it doesn't need to be your cash.
Line up a short term private money loan, bring in a short term partner, make a cash offer and get a loan anyway (just leave enough time to get the loan).
I've always found that the cure all is a bigger earnest money check ... it's a little more risky for you but it satisfies the seller's concern that you're serious.
Ok....I'll admit one thing that I did that I can't recommend as a practice. One time I made a "cash" offer that 1 day before closing I had to change to a "financed" offer.... Yeah....I was an a-hole and pissed off just about everybody but since they had the whole thing scheduled and everyone was waiting for it to close they went ahead with the closing. Don't make a habit of it and play dumb if you try it (well golly I thought my loan meant you were getting "cash" from the bank). Being "from Indiana" makes it easier to play dumb to "dem big city banks" he he heee.
Great answers, one and all. I'll need to line up the ability to offer cash then convince my wife that we need to make more offers.
Thanks,
Nick
We used to hit 1 out 3 with agents we have had relationships with. From June until now we've made 300-400 offers and only bought 4 properties (2 over asking price). We are cash buyers.
According the REO agents I know the asset managers do not put a huge advantage on cash offers unless the property is un-financable.
I'd suggest you wait until the winter. I think California is going to see a lot more inventory (but it depends what end of the market you're dealing).
I do something similar with Shorts, If I haven't found a buyer or need to postpone it a little longer I'll tell the bank my funds are tied up with another property that was accepted before they did and I need a few weeks to cash out that one or line up some financing. Most of the time I'm successful. I feel b/c we've already gone through the work, but a few times the bank told me to F-off and I lost the deal :cry:
BINGO! Private money, HMLs, lines of credit, whether personal or commercial are considered cash.
It has been very rare that we use our own money, sitting in a money market or checking account to pay for a deal. The few times we have done it is to have funds for a super quick closing.
99.9% of our REO purchases have been countered by the bank. Even if a REO "accepts" an offer, the second they require an addendum (which they always do), the offer becomes a counter. So, there is your opportunity to bow out if you have too many deals going on.
Why do you think there will be a lot more inventory this winter?
As an example...I am just accepting a cash offer 7k lower than an FHA offer. Why you ask....there is nothing more frustrating than having the deal fall apart late in the game. Cash is King
Wow Dustin, 3-4 a day?? I'd be scared to get accepted offers on all of them LOL! But then again we wouldn't be in a position to afford 3-4 at one time. Right now we are just going after one at a time and so far I'd say since we started this we've only put in maybe 6 offers and ended up with accepted offers on 3 (one a non-REO). So not too bad I think :D
Kel S.
I would venture to say that our exit stratigies are different. I could never offer on 6 and get three because I wholesale these. Therefore, I offer so low that my ratios are 1 property for every 20/25 offers. I would love it if I was getting that many accepted, but if I started to see a 50% return on my offers then that means I'm offering too much. But again this is why understanding your end goal is important and then working from the end to the beginning of what your investment goal is...
The best little nuggett I can give you is this.. Find 2 to 3 REO realtors and become buddy buddy with them!! This way you can get the inside track on your offers and I promise you.. You will get more offers accepted!! I use some realtors to put some offers in but the majority of the time I call the realtor who has the listing my self and put the offer in with them.. This way they get both sides of the commision.. You close 1 or 2 with them.. They will call you eveytime they get a listing!!
As for cash offers.. Go to your local bank and get a heloc on your primary residence or a different line of credit and that will suffice as a "cash offer"
"According the REO agents I know the asset managers do not put a huge advantage on cash offers unless the property is un-financable."
I totally disagree with this statement. Doesn't matter if a home is in complete disrepair of in move in condition - doesn't matter if it is $5,000 or $500,000 - Cash does have a huge effect on asset managers - The REO agents you know are not telling you truth about real estate.
Asset managers love cash they will often take a lower cash offer VS a financing offer.