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Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Follow up to original post on buying Larger properties. I hope you enjoy, and feel free to add your thoughts or questions. Rich

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Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Feel free to add to the info if you have thoughts for the BP Nation. Rich from the airport.


Real Estate Investor · Dallas, Texas


Rich, I may have missed it, but did you negotiate directly with the sellers or through agents? If through agents, how much was the commission? Seller paid?

It seems that you got so many consessions after the contract was signed because you were dealing with motivated sellers that did not have another good exit option?

How much was the title policy? Survey?

Did you use a Dallas attorney? How much were the fees?

Did you have to deal with the city on anything? BTW, when I bought my office building (Garland), parking issues delayed us 5 months dealing with the city and the seller. I had to present to the city council twice.

Now that you are on this side of the deal, what would you have done differently?

Thanks for sharing your experience!

Jon K., VentureNet
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Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


I'm waiting for shuttle to cruise ship so limited on time.
1. The commission was 4% split 50/50 between seller/buyer agents. I asked the buyers agent to stay out of the way and I negotiated with sellers agent and 1 of the 4 sellers directly.
There were 4 sellers, all partners and the relationship had become a little strained. I figured that was a problem. They also had a loan than was coming due before end of year. I wasn't sure if the 4 could still qualify, or even if they would all join together to do that. There were other parties interested, but we had already qualified for loan and they knew it. A bird in the hand is worth....
The title policy was approx $20,000 and the survey was approved to do just an update. That was $2600 and I paid that.
I used ny NV LLC attorney to check legal items pertinent to the LLC and a TX attorney to check title paperwork etc.
Both my attorneys were approx 350 per hour and time varied depending on what they each did..
I had no problems with city. The city had just done their annual inspection and all items had been repaired and approved. My Inspector found a lot more than the city did.
I kept the same on site and professional mgmt company as previous owner had.
I think this went as well as it could have. I would've liked having the original lender follow through. The rate and terms would've been better. However, with the extensions and the sellers loan due date approaching, I may have benefitted in my negotiation for the repairs etc.
I think that answers most of your questions. Any others, just ask. If future steps, I may add something I'd have done different. I hope to be able to add another chapter during my cruise. Rich, heading out to sea!!


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Jon-go do some deals and let me know!! Rich out to sea.


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Thank you so much for sharing the details of this transaction. Have a great cruise.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Thank you. At $.50 per minute, the next post has to wait until I return to FL. Rich in Cozumel


Real Estate Investor · Audubon, Pennsylvania


Rich,

Great way to blog this complicated transaction; breaking it up into digestible chunks makes it easier to absorb. And I have to admit, that when you write something with this level of detail, I try to absorb like a sponge.

Thanks for the education.

Steve Babiak


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Just off the cruise ship. Phase 3 will be out tomorrow. Thanks to those e-mails and replies. Rich at Houston airport.


Real Estate Investor · Weston, Florida


Hey Rich, another great post!

Personally we will only purchase properties if we can use a so-called HUD Loan because it has the greatest terms around, but as a result there are some differences in approach.
I will try to avoid those issues in my comments, but there are some additional items to share for those who will use Rich's post as a road map for their purchases of Multifamily.

Our contracts have a standard 180 days to close with two 30 days extensions. That usually means that at some point some of the earnest money goes hard. But as these points are defined by us, we have no problem with that.

We have chosen a top notch national Professional Management Company to work with. They know that we always try to build up to about 1,000 units in a Metro market. That could very well be split between clients and ourselves, but that number gives them a solid base to send some of their better people out there.
In a good relationship they will even scout out new properties for you that are not listed with a realtor.

The PMC normally charges $25 per door to do an extensive due diligence, but we worked out a deal where they will do so for us for substantially less. So they go in as soon as the contract is signed and within 10 days we have on our desk an extensive list of repairs and deferred maintenance broken down on a per unit level. This includes estimates on costs and time to get everything back in shape.
As Rich points out in his blog, this is the best info you can have for your first round of re-negotiations.

As soon as we have preliminary agreement with the Lender on financing, a professional Inspection is ordered. Our Lender usually has a decisive say in the choice, and our mission statement to them is "Take it apart!".
This gives the history of the property, a history of the relationship with the City or County, structural issues, the works.

The next step is making the Seller understand that we are seriously considering walking away, but we're reviewing our options. Why? As Rich implies, you have to get control over the Seller.
Here's where a flurry of our people start walking in and out of the property while we maintain a hermetic silence.

What always happens next is we get a call from the Seller's representative with some kind of veiled threat that they will want to opt out of the contract.
But I'm sure Rich will more than cover the ensuing song and dance of negotiation in his next chapter.

I guess my main point is that you need a team if you want to play this game. Our fixed players are the Management Company, the Lender, our Attorney and at least one partner. Locally we add an Architect, a Contractor, an Attorney and in some cases a Partner.
If everybody does their assigned job properly, the final inspection is a breeze.
One last thought; if you like the deal you owe it to yourself to get "control" over the Seller.

Your money is made when buying, not in selling.




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