How often do you successfully close a deal with $0 down?
Thanks!
Gabriel
How often do you successfully close a deal with $0 down?
Thanks!
Gabriel
Never for me...
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Depends on what you call $0 down. If you're talking about the newbie's fantasy of finding a deal you can buy with absolutely nothing out of pocket and turn around and sell it for a huge profit - ZERO.
If you mean a purchase that didn't require a down payment or significant cash outlay - two.
One was a purchase from an estate for rehab and flip. The purchase required nothing out of pocket other than title charges and closing fees that amounted to about $1500. HOWEVER - I did provide collateral as security for the purchase. I funded the rehab out of my own pocket so the purchase was $0 down but it certainly wasn't zero cost as the rehab ran about $15k.
Another deal was a joint venture that took nothing out of my own pocket to purchase nor did I pay holding costs. But I did pay for the rehab. When it was done the house was sold and each partner deducted his expenses and we split the profit. My partner was a friend who wanted to learn the business and did a lot of the grunt work. So I had no cost to purchase but it still took $12k to do it.
The best newbie deal I've seen was a friend who found a woman who inherited a house she didn't want. The deal was made for a purchase that was significantly under market value. He didn't have to make payments for six months while he rehabbed the house using a private party (relative) loan which also had no payments. The rehab was completed and the house sold in seven months so he did have to make one payment but he made a huge profit on the deal.
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Its happened to us in 2009 when properties were being deeded to us in Detroit. We have been offered it since then but have turned it down. No upside and alot of potential liabilities that are not worth the risk of a small profit with company assets on the line.
Kind of feel the need to answer your question with a question(s)...
...What exactly are you asking?
Probing for statistics?
Want to pitch a program?
Got a proud war story you want to share?
I wasn't going to reply to this one, but wow. Aaron get up on the wrong side of the bed? Make someone NEWER than you feel welcome!
I did it many times. The majority of those by far, were back in the 70's with simple assumable loans. I did one recently in 2009 in San Antonio. A military guy that was divorced and leaving for overseas. No $ down and simple quitclaim deed. Rich
I should add one thing. I had another house in TX I received in a bulk deal and HATED it. I sold that on ZERO down to the tenant. Rich
Definitely not pitching a program. Just fact-checking some of the hype from other programs.
Thanks for the responses!
I have a property sub2 that I purchased with only catching up the backpayments (about $1600 or so). I am working on more like that.
Well, the hype is just that. Buying no money down in the traditional way doesn't happen much.
But you definitely can do deals with basically no money using transactional funding. This involves alot of legwork and paperwork and coordination to negotiate a good deal on a short sale and arrange another buyer to flip it to the same day. But it is being done regularly by alot of people here.
Maybe I'm not creative enough, but none. I've bought 8 properties with 20-25% down. I've tried to go for owner financing with 10% down and always been rejected. That seems to be much harder than the gurus describe.
Rich -
Good call out on me...my post was inappropriate. And Gabriel, hope everyone else who responded gave you the answers you were looking for.
BP is by far the best investor site out there with a number of members always willing to help.
Aaron- good man to acknowledge. We all get called out on occasion. Welcome to BP.Rich
aaron,i don't thikn your post was inappropriate..the original post was vague and it's best to find out what the poster was looking for...now, back on topic...are you looking for rentals, flips, wholesaling? there's hundreds of ways to make money in real estate.
I've purchased many homes here in Indiana with no money down. Our property taxes here are in arrears so this means you get a tax credit at closing for almost an entire year if you purchase the property at the right time. You can purchase a rehab for as low as $2000 bucks and the taxes are usually that much or higher. The tax credit that you receive covers the amount for the house including closing costs. Now the rehabbing is a whole other ball game. I've actually only put as much as $5,000 into the property, sell it or rent it out.
In 2007-2008 I sold over 120 homes using a hard money zero down strategy and it worked every time then. In 2009 I sold homes still with hard money but the zero down had almost gone away. Investors were putting down anywhere from $5,000-$10,000 per home but the appraisals kept coming back really low every time.
Zero down is almost like a dinosaur, they are basically extinct.
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Once you accumulate a substantial net worth the question is not nothing down but one of liability. I'd much rather put up a down payment with a non recourse loan rather than a nothing down deal with a large full recourse loan. Often nothing down deals involve the assuming of risk larger than that justified by the profit potential. I guess a case can be made for taking on these large risks when your net worth is low and you have little to lose. However, the very concept has been beaten, distorted and misused by many "gurus" starting with Robert Allen.
While on the subject I might as well throw in my 2 cents about tools and techniques of acquiring property in general. Successfully being able to obtain control or ownership of a property by utilizing a "tool", (nothing down, owner financing, subject to, option, etc) accomplishes nothing by itself. One must purchase or control real property that either can be sold for more than the purchase price or that will provide a profitable annual retun through rent or other income payments. Utilizing these tools may be neccessary for a successful purchase should you be cash short, but make no mistake about it; you will pay a higher price for the property utilizing these tools. The person selling for nothing down is accepting nothing down because the price he can obtain for cash is significantly lower that what he can obtain with nothing down owner carry. Same thing with the other "tools" The lowest cost and most profit will be when you can pay all cash, or when your credit rating is so good that your cost of money borrowed is very low.
Don- good point. I'd NEVER do a full recourse loan. There are other ways out there.
I also agree on the Robert Allen comment as well as other gurus. I have several posts on BP about Roberts' early days when we were neighbors in UT.He caused problems for many people early on, imo. Rich
What's wrong with you people that haven't bought a house with $0.00 down? really? I've been in this business 12 years, and have bought and sold nearly 300 properties. I've used my own money only about 10% of the time. Of course, the majority of the transactions that i do are wholesale deals - so I never need any of my own money for those. But I've also bought houses Subject To - or on Lease Option Agreements. How do I buy them with no Money down??
Well, once I have the agreement signed with the seller, I now have the right to assign my contract. So I put the house on the market and find a buyer who has money for a down payment or option deposit. Then I enter into an agreement with them, collect the cashola, and then head to the closing table with NONE of my own money. Works every time.