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Hello all,

I'm a young professional with ~100k looking to invest in positive cashflow rental properties, ideally in Northern California. Currently located in the South Bay.

I've read up on some literature, and I know the basic formulas - I know what NOI, CAP, COCR, etc is, and am aware that average expenses are 45% of gross rents.

Through a casual look on redfin.com, it seems that COCR is pretty abysmal, even in lower-middle class neighborhoods (3-5%) even with 20% down. I have a couple of questions:

Should I be looking elsewhere? Ideally I'd like to be close to my properties.

Should I join REI clubs to find motivated sellers instead of looking online, where most people would look?

Is the 4.5% for a 30 year rate accurate for the mortgage I would be getting? (First time, non live in homeowner, credit of 680)

Seems dangerous to invest in Oakland, 5th highest crime rate in the US, I shouldn't touch it right?

Thanks a lot.

Darius


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


Wow lots of questions there.

You're in a tough area. Rent to prices ratios are very, making it nearly impossible to have monthly cash flow. Most buy-and-hold investors in the bay area are looking for appreciation, not cash flow.

You won't find motivated sellers at a REIA. You will find other people just like you who are looking for great deals. Its possible you'll meet some wholesalers who have deals. Whether they are good deals remains to be seen. But a REIA is a good place to make some contacts, and it would be worth checking them out.

Interest rates will be higher than 4.5% for a NOO, 30 year loan. I have one in the works with Chase at 5.5%. 680 is not a good credit score. You need to work on that. Above 750 would be ideal for getting the best rates on NOO loans.

You may have to go further afield. Sacramento, maybe?

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Sacramento, California


Darius,
Jon is right. Sacramento area might be a good option for you to consider.



Hey Jon,

Thanks a lot for the thought out response.

Looking into the Sacramento redfin, it seems that there are a lot of home are on sale, and there seems to be a downward trend in home prices. However, rents seem to be very favorable (like ~1k/mo for a 30k property). My biggest concern would be finding tenants in an area where so many homes/condos are for sale.

What are your thoughts on this?

Also, I might have a 740 credit score, but posted 680 to be safe, as I have a terrible memory.

Any idea why home prices in Sacramento are so low? These prices blow my mind - they're even cheaper than in Oakland, where the neighborhoods are very very rough. Ideally it wouldn't be more dangerous than San Jose, but I'm not averse to hiring an off duty uniformed police officer to accompany if trouble happens. I've never heard of Sacramento crime making it on the news.

Darius



also, I definitely wouldn't mind paying a higher DP to get started. It might affect my COCR some, but it seems like these would have pretty high COCRs to begin with.

Any thoughts on creative financing? Should I not mess with it as a newcomer?


Real Estate Investor · Rocklin, California


Darius

The area with the 30K homes in Sac is not way as bad as say East Oakland.
I own a 2/1 condo in the Foothill farms area (Off Madison Ave) that I purchased for $29k. It is rented for $700 per month. Not sure you can get $1000 in this area but $700-$800 is very common.
Finding tenants? I had 22 calls on my unit the first 2 days. Rented it to the 2nd guy that looked at it as he had decent credit.



Hey Ben,

Thanks a lot for your input. I just saw 1000$ for a craigslist ad near a redfin posting I was interested in, so I used that. I believe I should have erred on the conservative side instead of taking that at face value.

What are everyone's thoughts on buying multifamilies which are less profitable than individual homes? It seems less profitable but much easier to deal with.


Homeowner


Look in Vacaville and Dixon there are many deals there and you can make money every month. A lot of the newer homes were sold with ARM's and everyone is losing there home because of that.


Homeowner · San Francisco, California


Darius - I think you should look at Oakland. I own a duplex there and currently bringing in 2300 per month rent. I bought it for 80K and spent approximately 65K in renovation costs. I've had it for about 1.5 years.

I would strongly suggest Oakland. It's not as bad as people say - especially on the west side close to downtown. The returns can be great if you find the right property. As always, you have to do your research.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


When you're just getting started, SFRs are safer. Its easier to dump these if you decide you don't like this business. Apartments have a much lower buyer pool.

If by creative financing you mean some sort of owner financing, I would go for that. Less hassles than a bank. Now, there are plenty of bad deals, but if you understand what you're getting, this is something to consider.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Wholesaler · garden grove, California


I would consider Stockton. Great for cash flow!



Just checked with my landlord, my credit score is better than I thought - it was 740 (is this good?)

@Jon Thanks for the suggestion. I'll dip my toes into REI with SFRs first. They seem to have a much better COCR than multi families anyway. Condos seem like a bad investment due to the association fees, right?

@Tin Stockton seems like a great place for cash flow after doing a bit of preliminary research on redfin. Are you worried at all about depreciating prices hurting your returns? I know RE has a long term uptrend bias, but I'm still very new to the game.

@Sagnik and Jeff, I will be looking into those two areas shortly, thanks for the recommendations. Going to be prepping for an interview on Friday, but hopefully will get around to it soon.

Thanks everyone,
Darius


Real Estate Investor · California


Darius,

A lot of great info from the other posters above. Stockton, Sac, Dixon, Vacaville all have deals to be found in areas that are not war zones. Sac will probably have the highest volume, but also has a lot of other investors.

I would recommend you pick an area you feel comfortable with, then focus intently on that area - become an expert. That is how great deals are found.



Upon further research, it seems that Stockton has pretty high crime rates, rivaling that of Oakland. Looking into Sac, it seems like there are good areas, but there are bad areas as well (specifically North and South Sac). I'll have to look more into Dixon and Vacaville.


Residential Lender · Irvine, California


Hi Darius, if you're taking out bank financing to buy your deals, it's good to expect and plan for the following:

- Around 25% down payment
- You'll need to have cash reserves up to 6 months of PITI (full payments) in the bank for the property. If you're making down payments, just make sure to keep enough money in the bank to meet reserve requirements.
- You want to have mid 700 credit scores or better. Fannie just revised their pricing recently and they're dinging people with high 600 credit scores harder than they used to.
- Rates for investment properties are typically higher than owner occupied because investment properties are riskier from a lending standpoint.
- I also would advise deleveraging a bit if your debt-to-income ratio is high. It's much easier to qualify if you aren't carrying a lot of credit cards, auto loans, etc.

If you have more questions about the bank financing side of things, definitely feel free to give me a call.

Mark Fitzpatrick, Lenox Financial Mortgage Corp dba WesLend Financial
E-Mail: mark.fitzpatrick@lenoxhomeloans.com
Telephone: 949-777-2161
Website: http://www.mortgagesbymark.com/blog
FREE report about how to finance your deals: http://bit.ly/iuXEYA.


Commercial Real Estate Agent · California


Darius,

If you want the most bang for your buck I would try to find a fannie mae homepath property in Sacramento county. They have very attractive financing right now for first time home buyers. Let me know if you need any assistance.




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