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Rehabber · Saginaw, Michigan


Ive seen this posted once before but the thread was back from 08 and a few things have changed since then. Sooooo I was wondering, How is everyone financing their rental properties nowadays?

I believe the popular roundabout used to be to pay cash for the property then refinance, cash-out, rinse and repeat for your next rental. Does this still work? Are lenders refinancing on investment properties?

How do you finance if you can't pay cash for these properties?

I have yet to delve into the rental market but I want to be as informed as I can before I take the plunge!


SFR Investor · Lansing, Michigan


There are a lot of people selling on Land Contract, so that's one way. Do you have an money for a down payment? From my experience, refi's on rentals are almost non-existent these days. But, ifyour credit is good and you have adequate income, you should be able to get conventional financing. What are prices like in Saginaw?


Hard Money Lender · Lakewood, Colorado


I see a lot of people use hard or private money and than refinance once it is repaired and has a tenant. This way it is a rate and term refinance and is a much easier loan to get. Cash our refi are very tough to get and you will never get all of your money back. If it is a rate and term refi you can use the new appraised value but for cash out and no title seasoning you will be stuck with your purchase price as the value. (sometimes the underwriter will allow you to add repairs to the purchase for the value but you will never be able to use appraisal without seasoning the title.


Rehabber · Saginaw, Michigan


All the hot rentals are ranging from 20-50k. I will really be looking once I sell my current residence and I have the proceeds from the sale. I should have around 50k to work with and I would rather not pay all cash for properties. As far as income, haha well......I recently split ways with my former employer so that will be non existent. I was planning on doing a few rehabs per year and living of those proceeds but I would love to pick up a few rentals along the way. My credit is fine, not great. 700 I believe.


Rehabber · Saginaw, Michigan


Kevin, This is where my inexperience is going to show....Is there a difference between cashout refi and term and rate? I was under the obviously wrong assumption that cashout was the same as say a home-eq.


Wholesaler · Corona, California


Most of mine are private lenders. We pay 8% on a 1st and 9% on a 2nd. I also have some seller carry backs and subject to properties as well.



I'm a young dude, but do it the old fashioned way. 25% down payment with a conventional 30 year loan. Buy and hold.


Real Estate Investor · Memphis, Tennessee


Few ways. Local bank financing with 20 - 30% down. Buying local bank REO's and negotiate 10% down. The bank is going to need to see you are a qualified candidate and experienced investor. Private financing for a 2nd--using that 2nd to for a down payment to buy from local bank. Owner financing.

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SFR Investor · Los Angeles, California


Owner financing with 30% down at around 7% on 5+units or 25% down and conventional with 4 units or less at 5.5%.


Real Estate Investor · College Station, Texas


I stay conservative with the goal being long term principal reduction plus property appreciation...minimal CF.

From a small regional tx bank
20% down
15 year fixed @ just south of 6%
OR
5 year arm at 5.5%

Both 15 year amoritization


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


There is a HUGE difference between rate-and-term and cash-out. Lenders are willing to do rate and term. Someone else already thought it was an OK loan, so if the new lender thinks its OK, too, then there are two sets of eyes approving the deal.

Cash out means they're the first ones to make a loan. You'll probably need to wait a year if you want to use a new appraisal. If you're OK with 70% of the price you paid, you may be able to do it sooner. But in that case, why not get a loan up front?

700's probably OK for the first few loans (up to four mortgaged properties). After that you'll need to improve your score.

There are portfolio lenders out there. They can set their own terms.

You need income. No two ways around that. If you're self-employed, you'll need to have tax returns that actually show some income.

Bottom line is that it's really hard to acquire properties with none of your own cash.

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Real Estate Investor · Austin, Texas


I am going to finance our next batch with proceeds from development deals. Develop, sell, profit, keep some liquidity, buy rentals, rinse/repeat. This will bolster our liquidity and finance the equity tranche of our new purchases. Distributions from our fund will also grease the liquidity wheels as we spit off more profits.

For the long-term financing I will likely look for FNMA subject-to purchases since I am out of my own FNMA bullets. One of our short term goals is to deleverage a bit more to strengthen our balance sheet to up our lines for construction financing. This will keep us from having to engage JV partners as much for development deals. I don't mind JV partners, but they certainly complicate things. Doing deals on your own or with money you control is much easier.

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Real Estate Investor · Dallas, Texas


I used hard money once and never again after I realized how many points and fees I was paying. I only use private lenders, straight conventional, or cash. If none of these options are available to me, I would rather sit idle and save before considering hard money again.


Wholesaler · Valley City, Ohio


Brian,
I actually don't, I flip deals and pay cash for my holdings. Just my plan of action. It works for me.

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Real Estate Investor · Portland, Oregon


Rob,

Paying cash sounds good to me too but it takes a lot if houses are 250k. What is your price range for cash purchases?


Residential Landlord · Washington, DC


I'm paying 5.25% with a local bank. These are commercial loans as I have no other option (more than ten financed properties). These are 5yr notes with a 20 yr am and 1/4 point. Appraisals are $100 dollars and there is a one point pre-pay in the first year. I usually put 25-30% down and the loan is based on purchase price.

I don't have to do any application and always get the "yes" within 24 hours. I have a 25 yr relationship with this bank and keep 6 figures there. I would advise anyone to try to get a personal relationship with a local bank. When we first met the Sr. V.P. we were young and in a far more precarious position.

I've discussed consolidating a number of their loans onto one property in an effort to get under ten mortgaged properties. They seemed very willing to do this. This would not be a blanket trust, but we did do this with him in the early days (I asked him if he wanted our first born child too!).


Real Estate Investor · Austin, Texas


Does your small regional allow longer terms Cheryl? That 5-year bullet always makes me nervous.

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Real Estate Investor · Riverview, Florida


Brian / I'm with the Rob G. camp. Cash only, money comes from Atlanta flips and Ontario HML's. We buy newer Florida SFR's & townhomes under $90k, B neighborhoods. It's slower, (because we buy half as many homes), earnings are lower, (for the same reason), but very comfortable sleeps. Still a part-timer...with a very deliberate plan.

Mike P.

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Residential Landlord · Washington, DC


Bryan, yes I hate the short-term money and that is why I am thinking about trying to get under ten mortaged properties. In the meantime I am throwing alot of extra cash at these loans. Liquidity is an issue, but why have a ton of money sitting in cash? I'm deploying it at a return of 5.25%. I have a 30yr loan at 6.5% that I just upped the additional principal hugely. It's a tough decision; conserve cash or pay-off debt. For now the return of pre-paying mortgages makes the most sense - as long as you have enough cash reserves.


Real Estate Investor · Plano, Texas


Brian,

On my last rental purchase I used a LOC secured against another one of my rentals that I own Free and Clear. It is interest only and the current rate is only 5.49%. [The rate can fluctuate (although it never has so far after almost a year)].

Then I pay the line off as soon as I can. Putting day job income against it and rent money. My strategy is long term buy and hold and this takes time, but you end up with properties that get paid off quickly. Once you get 3-4 that are F&C it really snowballs.

I absolutely love these lines of credit. The funds are there and available when you need it - just move it over to your checking account. Only pay interest when you ping it, etc.. I think they work well for someone that wants to buy all cash and then really accelerate repayment. If you are looking for a really low rate that locks in for a long term then this strategy might not work.

Good luck,
Ch.




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