NEW! BP Podcast 019: Starting Out Tips, Short Sales, and Working with Virtual Assistants w/ Tracy Royce

Hide this

People to Know

 

From the BiggerPockets Blog

 BiggerPockets Blog »

Jump to Forum View All

Click a category below to view different forum categories.

BiggerPockets

General Info

BiggerPockets Q&A, Site Questions, & Announcements

1145 topics, 10720 posts — Last Post 05/24/13, 04:03AM

BiggerPockets Exclusive PRO Area

31 topics, 223 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 07:55AM

New Member Introductions

6172 topics, 40334 posts — Last Post 05/24/13, 03:47AM

Real Estate Success Stories

214 topics, 2942 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 03:22PM

BiggerPockets Real Estate Investing Summit

95 topics, 1723 posts — Last Post 05/16/13, 06:39PM

General Real Estate

General Real Estate

Buying & Selling Real Estate

2812 topics, 23141 posts — Last Post 05/24/13, 04:01AM

Renters

305 topics, 2632 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 08:52PM

Get Foreclosure Help - Help Stop Foreclosure Forum

264 topics, 2099 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 03:04PM

Home Owner Association (HOA) Issues & Problems Forum

159 topics, 1073 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 03:42PM

Do it Yourself

403 topics, 3664 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 05:11AM

Reviews & Feedback

Real Estate Deal Analysis and Advice

2150 topics, 16714 posts — Last Post 05/24/13, 03:35AM

Real Estate Guru, Book & Course Reviews and Discussions

867 topics, 8552 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 09:09AM

Ask About A Real Estate Company

537 topics, 5562 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 06:34AM

Real Estate Investing

Real Estate Strategies

Wholesaling

3756 topics, 29879 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 08:48PM

Rehabbing and House Flipping

2385 topics, 22287 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 09:27PM

Real Estate Development & New Home Construction

394 topics, 2891 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 04:02PM

Innovative Strategies

519 topics, 4167 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 10:59PM

Tax Liens, Notes, Paper, & Cash Flows Discussion

581 topics, 4224 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 10:10PM

Rent to Own a.k.a. Lease Purchase, Lease Options

471 topics, 3250 posts — Last Post 05/22/13, 01:18PM

1031 Exchanges

86 topics, 592 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 11:45AM

Foreclosure Investing

General Foreclosure & Pre-Foreclosure Forums

1363 topics, 8931 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 03:05PM

HUD, VA, and Tax Sales

272 topics, 1733 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 04:57PM

REOs

1057 topics, 9231 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 07:26PM

Short Sales

1386 topics, 11836 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 04:05PM

Landlord & Tenant Forums

Landlord & Rental Property Questions

4770 topics, 44762 posts — Last Post 05/24/13, 04:05AM

Mobile Homes & Mobile Home Park Investing

488 topics, 3832 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 11:56AM

Investor Basics

Starting Out

5337 topics, 41467 posts — Last Post 05/24/13, 03:51AM

Investor Psychology

338 topics, 4964 posts — Last Post 05/19/13, 12:10PM

General Real Estate Investing

3557 topics, 27196 posts — Last Post 05/24/13, 03:54AM

Real Estate Investor Marketing

1172 topics, 9461 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 08:26PM

Commercial Real Estate

Commercial Real Estate Investing Forum

1134 topics, 7111 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 10:16PM

Multi-Family and Apartment Investing

539 topics, 4675 posts — Last Post 05/24/13, 12:07AM

The Business of Real Estate

Real Estate Technology and the Internet

Real Estate Technology, Social Media & Blogging

457 topics, 3797 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 05:15PM

Business Basics

Goals, Business Plans & Entities

555 topics, 5218 posts — Last Post 05/21/13, 09:23AM

Real Estate Finance & Legal

Financial, Tax, and Legal

Tax, Legal Issues, Contracts, Self-Directed IRA

1982 topics, 14010 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 10:40PM

Credit & Credit Repair

222 topics, 1802 posts — Last Post 04/22/13, 10:00AM

Property Insurance

208 topics, 1336 posts — Last Post 05/22/13, 01:52PM

Bankruptcy

25 topics, 138 posts — Last Post 03/22/13, 08:22PM

Loans, Mortgages, Credit Lines

Private & Conventional Lending Discussion

1851 topics, 12501 posts — Last Post 05/24/13, 12:17AM

Creative Real Estate Financing

841 topics, 5942 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 09:42AM

Real Estate Professionals

Real Estate Professionals

Real Estate Agents

792 topics, 5003 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 07:00PM

Bankers, Lenders, and Mortgage Brokers

374 topics, 1501 posts — Last Post 05/21/13, 10:18AM

Contractors

155 topics, 868 posts — Last Post 05/21/13, 02:39PM

Local Real Estate

Local Real Estate

Local Real Estate Networking & Recommendations

941 topics, 5400 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 08:03PM

Americans & International Real Estate

149 topics, 540 posts — Last Post 05/17/13, 03:21PM

Foreigners Buying in the USA

47 topics, 296 posts — Last Post 05/13/13, 09:15AM

Canadian Real Estate

33 topics, 155 posts — Last Post 04/28/13, 07:59AM

Marketplace

Real Estate Marketplace

Real Estate Marketplace

11600 topics, 44736 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 04:28PM

Off-Topic

Off Topic

Off-Topic

2575 topics, 30356 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 10:44PM

Housing News & Real Estate Market

761 topics, 7197 posts — Last Post 05/23/13, 01:54PM

BiggerPockets Resources

Forums » Buying & Selling Real Estate » Cash flow properties, need advice on what cities to look

Cash flow properties, need advice on what cities to look

34 posts by 14 users

Signup

· Brooklyn, New York


Can someone give me advice on what are some of the cities that are worth looking into for relatively low cost properties that cash flow?

There is nothing in my local area that cash flow unless you put 50% or more down. So now I am considering looking for out of town properties that cash flow.

Objective: I am conservative, looking for stable cash flow long term, prefer areas that are not too shady and tenants who don't mind paying rent by direct deposit.

Any advice on where to look would be appreciated.

Thanks
MJ

NOTE FROM MOD: THIS THREAD MUST STICK TO DISCUSSION OF WHERE TO INVEST. IT IS NOT FOR ACTUALLY DOING DEALS. REQUESTS FOR SOMEONE TO CONTACT YOU ARE CONSIDERED ADS.


Commercial Real Estate Broker · Canton, Georgia


Atlanta has some good yield if you buy in the right locations for multifamily.

Small_allworldrealtyJoel Owens, All World Realty
Telephone: 678-779-2798
Website: http://www.GAcommercialbroker.com
www.GAcommercialbroker.com 678-779-2798 joelowens@comcast.net


Real Estate Investor · Lexington, Kentucky


You know what they say, "Everything is bigger in Texas!"


· Mission Viejo, California


"Low cost" means different things to different people. Please be more specific.

There is also the issue of initial vs ongoing cost. We worked with an agent in Atlanta who was selling $11,000 and lower houses to one buyer, but I'll bet he has to almost completely re-do them between tenants, and has high turnover.

It is best to put 100% down, then you do not have to worry about loans in these dangerous economic times, with government run amok.

Some properties have appreciation potential, while others may be lucky to keep up with inflation.

Joel, all of that exterior wood on those quads looks like a big maintenance headache, and the numerous other buildings in the complex will tend to lock rents to whatever the others are charging.


Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, CA


How about Rochester,NY . I know it's not too close to NYC where you are but it should be pretty easy to cashflow there.


· Brooklyn, New York


Originally posted by @Joel Owens:
Atlanta has some good yield if you buy in the right locations for multifamily.

Joel Owens hey Joel how are you? Yeah we would like to know if you have any good recommendations for Atlanta.


· Brooklyn, New York


Originally posted by @Joseph M:
How about Rochester,NY . I know it's not too close to NYC where you are but it should be pretty easy to cashflow there.

Good idea, I haven't thought about that, I think both Rochester and Buffalo are worth looking into, thanks Joseph


Residential Landlord · Lima, Ohio


Some parts of Ohio are good relative to CF.

Small_finished_ad_8Ben Leybovich, JustAskBenWhy.com
E-Mail: ben@justaskbenwhy.com
Telephone: 1.888.508.9543
Website: http://www.JustAskBenWhy.com
Ben Leybovich, Source Investments, LLC http://www.JustAskBenWhy.com


Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, CA


Yes Buffalo has many low priced properties as well. I've had family that did pretty well in the Buffalo and Rochester area. I have done some deals in the Buffalo area but they were wholesale deals versus buy and holds. You might also want to look into Niagara Falls as well.. Haven't look at the properties there for a while, but should be similar to Buffalo/Rochester prices..

I think Atlanta and parts of Ohio as other mentioned are good suggestions too.

I do envy people that live in an area where properties can be bought cheaply.

I'm considering moving because of the cost of properties in SoCAL.


Real Estate Investor · Buffalo, New York


Our market in Buffalo is very similar to Rochester, right down to the point of the market changing street by street, let alone blocks. Many areas that have great value for rehabs, others that are buy hold for cash flow.

Originally posted by Joseph M:

I do envy people that live in an area where properties can be bought cheaply.

I'm considering moving because of the cost of properties in SoCAL.

I dont envy you guys trying to work deals in your markets, cant buy a box with no land for what you can buy a decent house here for, NYS though our taxes suck.

I am not working in or endorsing the falls yet as it just doesnt seem to be ready for the bounce back, way too many boarded up homes of no value and the rental market is tough too. I would probably look a little deeper if I had too but theres more than enough still working in my current areas with no end in sight.


Commercial Real Estate Broker · Canton, Georgia


Stephen,

Those buildings are from years ago and no longer available. That website is an old Joomla site I have that I keep because it has page 1 rankings.

I am having 2 new Wordpress websites completed with line by line custom code so that I can do anything with the sites I want to. They are truly one of a kind. One is for triple net properties nationwide and the other is for apartment investing nationwide. Those are my 2 areas of focus and I do not do anything else. Yes on those quads that is original cedar wood siding. You simply take off and put hardi-plank on and repaint.

I do not mess around with duplex's, tri-plex's , or quads anymore. I do large scale listing and sales in the commercial space. What you mentioned about 11,000 houses in Atlanta isn't worth my time. A big headache for an ultra low, low payout.

Hi Mary,

I have been doing very well and also talking with your brother. I will send some things and projections his way and you can discuss them related to multifamily.

Atlanta has great yields but you have to buy in the right spots just like other places.

Texas is good but some commercial research I have read lately points to a possible bubble in a few years with all the building and permitting going on for apartments. That could lead to occupancy drops and rent reductions or staying flat with an overbuilding bubble when supply catches up with and passes demand. The research analyzed how much permitting had picked up and expected units coming online within the next few years versus population levels etc.

Small_allworldrealtyJoel Owens, All World Realty
Telephone: 678-779-2798
Website: http://www.GAcommercialbroker.com
www.GAcommercialbroker.com 678-779-2798 joelowens@comcast.net


Real Estate Investor · Memphis, Tennessee


Memphis has some of the best yields in the USA, look here!


Real Estate Investor · Dallas, Texas


Texas is good but some commercial research I have read lately points to a possible bubble in a few years with all the building and permitting going on for apartments. That could lead to occupancy drops and rent reductions or staying flat with an overbuilding bubble when supply catches up with and passes demand. The research analyzed how much permitting had picked up and expected units coming online within the next few years versus population levels etc.

Joel, do you have links to the research? Apartment overbuilding has happened in TX before, but demand is in the lead for right now.

Jon Klaus, SellPropertyFast
E-Mail: jklaus@vnetinc.com
Telephone: 214-929-6545
Website: http://www.caddostar.com


· Mission Viejo, California


Originally posted by Joseph M:
How about Rochester,NY . I know it's not too close to NYC where you are but it should be pretty easy to cashflow there.
I was in Rochestder and drove around NY through Watkings Glen, the southwest corner, Niagara Falls, and back to Rochester a few years ago for the AWA convention. People everywhere complain about crushingly high property taxes. They do not have the Proposition 13 which we enjoy in California.


· Mission Viejo, California


Originally posted by David Niles:
I am not working in or endorsing the falls yet as it just doesnt seem to be ready for the bounce back, way too many boarded up homes of no value and the rental market is tough too.
The US side was a downright disgrace compared to the Canadian side when we visited in2008. We were shocked.


· Mission Viejo, California


Originally posted by Dean Letfus:
Memphis has some of the best yields in the USA, look here!
We've got two houses there, but would like to find a better property manager. Any suggestions? We're also shopping for more properties, so what areas do you like? We prefer newer and nicer, such as the brick 3/2 in Cordova we got for $85,000.


Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, CA


Yeah that is true , some of the taxes are definitely insane in NY...but it does seem that despite that people are able to cashflow on properties in Rochester,Buffalo, and other areas around there.

True Prop 13 does help a lot if you have owned your house a long time.

I heard there was some talk about getting rid of Prop 13 or overturning it...but I doubt that would happen.

I imagine home prices would go down a LOT in CA if that happened..especially in the more expensive areas.

But now because of the whole housing crisis there seem to be a lot of markets with good cash flow and probably lower property taxes than NY. Lot's of Florida markets look good.


· Brooklyn, New York


Originally posted by Stephen Masek:
Originally posted by @Dean Letfus:
Memphis has some of the best yields in the USA, look here!
We've got two houses there, but would like to find a better property manager. Any suggestions? We're also shopping for more properties, so what areas do you like? We prefer newer and nicer, such as the brick 3/2 in Cordova we got for $85,000.

Hi Stephen, may I ask how much does your $85K property in Memphis cash flow per month?

Thanks Dean, will check out Memphis also.

BTW, what cities do you guys think offer the "sweet spot" for cash flow properties?

It seems that low end properties (eg: around $50K) do cash flow very well but I am worried about the caliber of tenants these properties attract. On the other hand, while properties that are about $100K or higher may attract better quality tenants, the cash flow is very unattractive.


Real Estate Investor · Memphis, Tennessee


In Memphis the 60 to 90K market is very solid. Rents at the price will be from $875 to $1350 a month


· Brooklyn, New York


Originally posted by Dean Letfus:
In Memphis the 60 to 90K market is very solid. Rents at the price will be from $875 to $1350 a month

Thanks Dean, what neighborhood in Memphis should I look at?




Sign up