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Real Estate Investor · Dearborn, Michigan


The property in question, is listed for $350,000 and is generating an annual income of $62,160 with annual expenses at $34,350 which $6,000 of that is for property management. The property has been completely updated outside with: a complete roof tear off, all new concrete up to the units, sidewalks and parking lot, all new landscaping and 5 of the 10 units have been completely rehab with the other 5 in excellent condition. Currently is fully occupied with long term leases in place (2+ years as I'm told).

I recently have spoken with the listing agent asking if the seller would consider doing a LC on this complex. She has replied with "yes they will consider with a large down payment". I have the ability to put up to 20% down without placing any stress on other capital.

My questions to all is, what do you think in general about this deal? What other type of information should I be asking the listing agent?

This will be my first commercial deal in my career and I'm looking forward to the knowledge and advice that I will receive from BP.

Greg


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greg, you are very close to me.... good luck. i have no experience in multi property, so i can share no advice. will monitor the topic.


Wholesaler · Charlotte, NC


Greg - what is your strategy for this property? Hold for the cash flow?

Are the rents in line with the market rates? If not, you might be able to bump up the rents and quickly increase the property value if your goal was to re-sell it for some cash.

If there are a lot of long term leases in place, this is good if you want to buy and hold (as long as there is good payment history on these leases). It could be bad if you want to flip for a profit because your ability to increase rents is not there.

If you are putting 70k down and bringing in about 25-30k/yr then you're looking at a 2+ year payback.

Good luck with it!


Wholesaler · Charlotte, NC


Not sure if I answered your question... I was "talking out loud" doing some deal analysis in my head.

You definitely need to see the rent rolls (you said "Currently is fully occupied with long term leases in place (2+ years as I'm told)" which led me to believe you haven't seen the rolls yet).

Full disclosure - I have not done a deal like this so I'd wait for some ppl more experienced in commercial deals to weigh in. Just putting my 2 cents out there.


Real Estate Investor · Dracut, Massachusetts


It doesn't look very good to me for a few reasons.

First, based soley on your numbers, The cap rate is just shy of 8%. I would like to see a minimum a 10% cap on a multi like this. Which would bring the purchase price to 278,100

However, since your location is Dearborn, I am assuming this property is in greater Detroit? If that's the case, with the added risk of that market, I'd be looking for a cap with a minimum of 14-15%

Quite frankly, if this deal is in Detroit, I think you can do a lot better for the amount of cash you'd be putting in.

Best of Luck!


Real Estate Investor · Dearborn, Michigan


Nick - my intentions for this property is to hold for long term cash flow. I'm currently in the process of gathering information, in which most investors ask when pursueing a mult-family complex. I will most definitely get a trailing 12 month rent roll. Thanks for the tip.

Even though I do have the capability to put down 20% should I try to work with lower terms first? Or simply just go get a conventional loan?
~ Greg


Real Estate Investor · Dearborn, Michigan


Brian - I will not bring that amount of cash to Detroit...LOL,

The property is located in Allen Park, MI. So based on the information and numbers provided along with the amount of work the owner as put into it; you think 350k is to much? Keep in mind the property is in top notch condition, literally! I have no intentions of paying 350k for it I was thinking more in the range of 300k-310k. Should I start even lower than that? There is room to create more value in the property.

I look forward to your reply

~Greg


Real Estate Investor · Dracut, Massachusetts


Everyone's investment criteria is different, but without having a lot of info, and based solely on your original numbers, I feel 350K is way too high. Again, I would point to the $278,100
but, even then it looks like the expenses are fairly high on this property (55%). So, make sure to take a good look at all the data.

That being said, I don't know the area at all, don't know the unit configurations and don't know what the comps are showing. $350K could be spot on with a different set of eyes.




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