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Real Estate Investor · Chicago, Illinois


Hey Everyone,
I was wondering if I can get some input from all you investors out there. Basically I have been rehabbing properties and buying/selling land full time for almost 4 years now and thinking about getting into apartment buildings for cash flow. I have basic/minor experience with renting out and playing the landlord, I was curious though what size building everyone would say is a good size to start with 4-6 unit......4-8 units...I dont want to go much bigger then that as I know alot of things can go wrong. I will be focusing on properties that are all ready in good condition so nothing major would have to be done by me or anything. I have 40k in reserves just in case I have non-paying tenants or repairs or anything else of that sorts. I still have money for the downpayment and etc on the purchasing end but really have no experience when it comes to bigger buildings.

Any help or info would be great

Thanks
Adrian


Real Estate Investor · Harrisburg, Pennsylvania


Wow.

I think even your question has you starting off too big. How about 2-4 unit buildings. Most of what we own are 2 units with a couple of 3 units thrown it.

You buy 1 or 2 of these at let it ride for 6 months to a year. This will give you the landlord feel.

So many folks jump into the landlording business with dollar signs in their eyes. When they find out it is real work, they bail. It is better to bail on 1 building or 2, that is smaller and easier to sell than it is to get into a 5+ unit.

For the record, 4 units and less play by different rules than 5 plus units. This is true at banks, insurance agencies, and sometimes even real estate agents.


Real Estate Investor · Chicago, Illinois


Christian,
I have had 2-4 units before, sorry I should have stated that earlier. I just think its time to go a tad bigger. Basically Im just looking to see what others have experienced with the whole financing, landlording, repairs, type issues.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


Four unit buildings are no different than 8 unit buildings, except possibly for building code/zoning issues in some states. They have the same tenants, same problems, same expenses, etc. Moving from 4 to 8 units is a non-event IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS!

Good Luck,

Mike


Real Estate Investor · Chicago, Illinois


I dont know I heard it was quite different, Im sure its kinda like owning two 4 unit buildings but when there all combined Im sure its very different.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


I find it much the same as sfrs. When you get into larger complexes, then it is an entirely different world. I'm doing my due diligence right now on a 154 unit complex in Dallas area. Every day , it is something new. Certified rent roll, contract on the trash dumpster, contract on the laundry. Those you don't have on a 4-8 unit. A lot more manpower is required, and oversight, imo. The tough ones are those that require onsite mgmt, but aren't quite large enuff to make it cost effective. Rich


Real Estate Investor · Chicago, Illinois


Well put Rich, I just dont wanna go treading in the deep end you know. Im thinking about kicking it up to a 6-8 unit and keeping them for a while. Other then that I would LOVE TO GET TO a 154 unit complex.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Adrian, a rule of thumb you may want to go with is go no bigger than 12 uits for your first commercial multifamily (5 units+) to get your feet wet. Staying below that number of units will keep any mistakes you may make small enough to not destroy you.

As Rich pointed out, going to larger quantity doors gets you into unchartered waters such as the laundry contarcts, etc.

Managing a 12 unit or a 4 unit is identical. The best thing is all 12 doors are one location rather than driving to 3 different quadplexes.

$40k for reserves, plus funds for your 20% or more down is a wonderful start. All you need is to find the right deal and know how to negotiate it. You already appear to know enough about managing singles, duplex, etc.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Real Estate Investor · Chicago, Illinois


Nationwidepi,
Thanks, I think Im qualified enough to move up but dont want to over do it and I was hoping you all could tell me if my financials were good enough to get me started since you all have more experience in me with apartment buildings. Yeah finding the right deal seems to be a tough yet a breeze in this "wonderful" market lol as there are many deals out there lol.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Adrian, be careful what you wish for!!!


Real Estate Investor · Chicago, Illinois


I will and am always careful, I just think its time I stepped it up a little. Do you guys think I should be sticking with more 2-4 units?


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


I think you should go after what you feel you are ready for. Don't let others hinder you or discourage you from getting to where you want to go!

Of course, make sure you do the financials corretly! I can help with that. I know the numbers better than most on these deals. So does Rich!

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
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Real Estate Investor · Chicago, Illinois


Of course I always check the numbers 3-4 times on every deal, Im not letting people hinder I just choose to play it safe when it comes to dealing money and the possibly of letting my properties crash. I always think big......and do big.....but take baby steps to get there (I like to call it playing it safe).

Adrian


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Whatever keeps your boat afloat!

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Real Estate Investor · Central, New Jersey


Once the buildings get up near 100+ units is $100 per door cash flow still possible?

Brian


Real Estate Investor · Chicago, Illinois


I would hope its more then that hahaha


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


Adrian,

Do you own any rentals now? From what you've said and implied, it doesn't sound like it. If not, I would start with some smaller buildings until you get some experience.

If you find a deal, post the numbers and we'll give you an analysis.

Mike


Real Estate Investor · Chicago, Illinois


Mike I have owned rentals before and now, I meant I have experience in them because of the fix/rent or fix/flip strategies but now mainly rentals. It seems to me that I just dont like smaller rentals and I would like to try bigger. I will post some deals I find and get back to you guys asap with all info.


Real Estate Investor · Seligman, Arizona


I think you should head over to Landlord Tenant forum. There is a commercial real estate sub topic there. And a lot more info there. Good luck.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


Originally posted by TheMasterKey
Once the buildings get up near 100+ units is $100 per door cash flow still possible?

Brian
Of course! Just because you have a larger building does not mean you lower your cash flow expectations. In fact, because of the buying in bulk factor, you could and should get a bit more per door when buying 100+ buildings.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
E-Mail: info@barnardenterprises.com
Website: http://www.barnardenterprises.com
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