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Landlord · Seattle, Washington


It seems that there is more and more talk about how any future housing bubble will be prevented. Bankers and monetary officials are discussing using interest rates and other means to prevent this in the future.

I don't know about you, but this doesn't sound like a good thing.

Here is one article discussing this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/26/AR2010072603338_2.html?sid=ST2010072605862


Note Investor · Tempe, Arizona


Government regulation always backfires for numerous reasons, not the least of which is the law of unintended consequences. Governments always think that they are brighter than the private citizen and therefore they should control money decisions since otherwise the free market will screw it up. The fact that just the opposite has been proven time and time again in no way lessens the politician's arrogance.

"When I remember how many of my private schemes have miscarried; how speculations have failed, agents proved dishonest, marriage been a disappointment; how I did but pauperize the relative I sought to help; how my carefully governed son has turned out worse than most children; how the thing I desperately strove against as a misfortune did me immense good; how while the objects I ardently persued brought me little happiness when gained; most of my pleasures have come from unexpected sources; when I recall these and hosts of like facts, I am struck with the incompetence of my intellect to prescribe for society"
---Herbert Spencer


Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


Well done Don!

Charles, can you go into more depth on this. I seem to have trouble loading that and missed the second page.

I think the creativity of investors will likely be the road to investor survivablity. The fact is that the need for affordable housing will never be met by government. If the government restricts the free market too much, there will likely be a private black market. If buyers understand the complications and road blocks placed in their way, they will become more agreeable to alternative methods to meet their goals. If the buyer is in agreement to enter into transactions that provide little recourse for them, sellers will be there to take advantage and profit. So, if there is much more restriction in real estate, especially financing options, will begin to drive transactions underground and ultimately further disadvantage those desiring the American Dream.


Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, Arizona


Charles, this is actually something that many economists have been advocating for a long time. One of the primary functions of central banks throughout the world is to try to set the interest rate. Traditionally, central banks have done that based on inflation and economic growth targets.

Since the 1990s, there has been a disagreement between different central banks on how to measure inflation. On the one hand, you had people like Greenspan who believed that only consumer price inflation should be considered in determining inflation. On the other hand, many Asian and some European central bankers felt that you should consider both consumer prices and asset prices in deciding whether inflation is getting out of control.

I actually think that Greenspan was foolish to look only at consumer price inflation in setting interest rates. As a central banker, you have to consider consumer prices and asset prices (commodities, stocks, real estate, etc.) in determining whether the economy is overheating.


Landlord · Seattle, Washington


The US is establishing a new bureaucracy set up by the new financial reform legislation. This agency is called the Financial Stability Oversight Council. Europe is establishing a similar council called the European Systemic Risk Board.

They will be looking at controls to keep prices more stable. These controls can include interest rates and/or monetary policies. Many of these kinds of policies have a bad way of backfiring.

There are so many ways that government can control how the real estate business is performed. Time will tell, but this will certainly be harder to factor into real estate purchases.


Landlord · Seattle, Washington


Originally posted by Vikram C.
Charles, this is actually something that many economists have been advocating for a long time. One of the primary functions of central banks throughout the world is to try to set the interest rate. Traditionally, central banks have done that based on inflation and economic growth targets.

Since the 1990s, there has been a disagreement between different central banks on how to measure inflation. On the one hand, you had people like Greenspan who believed that only consumer price inflation should be considered in determining inflation. On the other hand, many Asian and some European central bankers felt that you should consider both consumer prices and asset prices in deciding whether inflation is getting out of control.

I actually think that Greenspan was foolish to look only at consumer price inflation in setting interest rates. As a central banker, you have to consider consumer prices and asset prices (commodities, stocks, real estate, etc.) in determining whether the economy is overheating.



While there are probably some controls that should be placed on the market, it is my belief that many of the problems in the market place are because of the controls.

Greater regulating the assets, IMHO is only going to cause greater problems done the road. The government is doing a lot currently to keep the economy buried and unemployment high. Further regulating the market place is not going to help that.

My concern is not what has been done in the past, but more what is likely to happen in the future with political bodies that believe in using government policy to solve market problems.

I can't help believe that this current housing bubble and economic situation would have been well into recovery if it hadn't been for the massive government involvement that has prolonged the effect of market corrections.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


I'm not as concerned about FUTURE housing bubbles as I am about the one we're deep into currently. AND, I firmly believe we're going to have a second dip of this one. This next, or current one is the one that bothers me. The only good news about this one, is the govt can't mess it up further with new regulations
1. no more than 4 mortgaged properties. (naanie etc)
2. No further increase of down payments for investors. 10% to 20-25%. (oops, I guess they could further throttle that one.) Rich


Real Estate Investor · Phoenix, Arizona


Charles, I am no fan of government regulation and agree that the government was a big part of the bubble through its loan guarantees. I also think that solving the "too big to fail" problem would be a lot easier if big financials firms were not so good at lobbying. All you have to do is have a ratcheting scale of reserve requirements for financial firms so that larger firms have to maintain more reserves. This will ensure that banks are not too big to fail and we then don't have to bail out their shareholders and bondholders in the event of insolvency.

But coming back to the original point of your post, we have two options with respect to central banking:

1. Have minimal central banking and let the market determine interest rates. This was pretty much the practice during the 19th century and the U.S. economy grew rapidly during that period. (This was also a period of virtually unrestricted immigration.) The only downside of that period was that the economy was highly volatile with periods of great growth followed by periods of extreme recessions.

2. These days, we have voters firmly latched on to the government teat. They want the government to solve all their problems, including the "problem" of the economic cycle. Even a mild recesssion is considered a failure of government. This has led modern central bankers to have both inflation targets and economic growth targets and they conduct their activities in coordination with fiscal policy. The net result is that we have a more stable economy and also a net lower long-term growth rate.

I am very much in favor of a laissez-faire approach to the economy and have no problem with accepting more volativility in exchange for higher long term growth. I actually think volatility is a good thing for prudent investors because it creates more buying and selling opportunities. But I do not see the populace embarcing this approach and think that our anti-volatility attitude is going to continue.

This then leads to the question of how to control the volatility best. In this regard, I think it is best to look at both consumer price inflation and asset price inflation. Central banks have until now been looking only at consumer price inflation in determining interest rates. The new law requires the monitoring of asset prices as well. It could have been easily done by creating a department within the Federal Reserve to do it but our government seems to like more entities rather than fewer. But the underlying idea of having experts monitor asset prices to detect bubbles and instability is not a bad one.


Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


The problems with having fewer regulators with broader scopes of authority are numerous, many of which come from agencies attempting to protect their turff more than achieving any common goal. It's easy to say we need fewer agencies and smaller government but in reality, each agency has their favorite child. Wait till you see what happens inside the CFPA, with regulators under one roof with contradicting missions, protecting the public and ensuring profitability of lenders. Talk about oil and water!


Landlord · Seattle, Washington


Our current economic situation is a great example of how government involvement can amplify a problem.

I believe we would see more real recovery if we placed less controls on the market. Small businesses are being stifled, lending is being hindered rather than helped by government involvement, the current uncertainty is discouraging job creation as well.

We can't continue to encourage a welfare state and then hinder economic growth by punishing those that create wealth and pay taxes.


Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


As mentioned above, I think, I think too that lender is "hindered" as other investments are more profitable with less risk than lending activities. which is being allowed by the government, if the Community Reinvestment were made a little tougher and capital requirements were less on certain types of loans, like secondary market loans, more funding would be made available. But that means more government involvement.

The entitlement issues need to be revamped, making it possible for those receiving entitlements to earn money without being penalized initially for making money. SOmeone on a fixed income that relies on assistance can't reallt chance lossing the food on the table to venture off and start a business or earn an income and find that it didn't work out, having to start all over agian and being cut off in the process. It not only takes away any incentive to earn but makes it an impossible risk to assume for the possible rewards.

In a perfect world we could simply have a free market system without regulation, but due to the human nature of greed and total disregard for others, regulation will always be in place in any civilized society. Additionally, most of the laws we have related to business are economic laws designed to make entry into a market more difficult, financing is a good example of this now, ensuring that loans are only made with certain lenders. Not everyone can start a bank. I doubt that I would have strated my mortgage company if current laws had been in place in those days! I began as an unregulated lender, that's an impossibility today. And the choke hold gets tighter....


Real Estate Investor · Southlake, Texas


As much as the government tries to control the direction of the economy, they can only do so for so long, basically for every action they take there will be an equal and opposite reaction. The economic version of physics, so to speak. They may have put the brakes on the current recession, but there is a certain amount of correction that must take place regardless of how much regulation and money the government pumps into the economy. The damage has already occurred, so the best the govt can do is slow the rate of decline. So, they stopped the bleeding today, but as soon as the deflationary pressures work themselves out, we face the prospects of significant inflation.

It's like trying to squeeze a half filled water balloon. We may be able to squeeze the water out of one part, but it just rushes to the other.

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Landlord · Seattle, Washington


While I believe that controls need to be in place. It is my belief that the control should be minimized and those put in charge of handling these controls should be well vetted.

So many economists believe in government involvement through policy rather than letting the markets work more freely.

I think we are seeing the results of some of the worst economic advice and how greater government involvement hampers economic growth.


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