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Hotel rooms for the homeless question in MA

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Ben R.

Real Estate Investor from Raleigh, North Carolina

Sep 08 '13, 06:34 AM


I don't think it would be very profitable, having to provide for the demands of a discriminating homeless person....housekeeping, room service, cable tv, etc...God forbid the wireless internet goes down...



Tom Goans

Real Estate Investor from Englewood, Colorado

Sep 08 '13, 08:59 AM
2 votes


@John H.,

It is sad your motivation is to make “big bucks” from other’s tragedy and from the taxpayers’ hard-earned money.



Ben R.

Real Estate Investor from Raleigh, North Carolina

Sep 08 '13, 02:48 PM
1 vote


Just a way to get some of your own hard-earned tax dollars back, to my way of thinking....



Chris Martin

Real Estate Investor from Holly Springs, North Carolina

Sep 08 '13, 04:03 PM
1 vote


I take a different view. STRs (Short Term Rentals) do yield higher rates, but your expenses will escalate significantly. Do you already provide utilities? You will. The hotels operate, basically, day-to-day or weekly vs. 12 month or even month-to-month for a typical rental. Your deposit will be limited or non-existant in a lot of places. Expect issues you don't currently have. You may need your house registered, you may have local ordinance issues. Do you know the 'rules' for placement? When your tenant brings in bed bugs, you'll need to handle it. It isn't fun.

Why are they homeless? Are they Veterans? Veterans with PTSD? My company has been leasing STR housing since before Katrina. Regarding "... having to provide for the demands of a discriminating homeless person....housekeeping, room service, cable tv, etc...God forbid the wireless internet goes down..." I guess this was meant as a joke. Also, I get the sense you've never dealt with a crisis like Katrina. That was a difficult time for everyone. My company put up several Katrina victims, and in my view these people were extremely grateful that we did. Going from 4 people living in a Taurus for months to "normal" living conditions... well, it made their day/week/month. We didn't have any 'windfall profit'. Even with our 'quick turns', the higher rent offset our expenses which were quite high. We didn't compromise on our screening and we had our share of "posers" and bad fits that we rejected, leading (ironically) to short term vacancy issues. By the way, we took $0 in FEMA or other federal funds.

I wouldn't do STR on a furnished house, and I'd guess the MA program wouldn't either. Extended Stay "fits" better. Some local Inns/Hotels cater to weekly rentals to cater to homeless. They 'fit' better too.

To sum up, this is probably not an opportunity worth pursuing.



Ben R.

Real Estate Investor from Raleigh, North Carolina

Sep 08 '13, 04:08 PM


Originally posted by Chris Martin:
I take a different view. STRs (Short Term Rentals) do yield higher rates, but your expenses will escalate significantly. Do you already provide utilities? You will. The hotels operate, basically, day-to-day or weekly vs. 12 month or even month-to-month for a typical rental. Your deposit will be limited or non-existant in a lot of places. Expect issues you don't currently have. You may need your house registered, you may have local ordinance issues. Do you know the 'rules' for placement? When your tenant brings in bed bugs, you'll need to handle it. It isn't fun.

Why are they homeless? Are they Veterans? Veterans with PTSD? My company has been leasing STR housing since before Katrina. Regarding "... having to provide for the demands of a discriminating homeless person....housekeeping, room service, cable tv, etc...God forbid the wireless internet goes down..." I guess this was meant as a joke. Also, I get the sense you've never dealt with a crisis like Katrina. That was a difficult time for everyone. My company put up several Katrina victims, and in my view these people were extremely grateful that we did. Going from 4 people living in a Taurus for months to "normal" living conditions... well, it made their day/week/month. We didn't have any 'windfall profit'. Even with our 'quick turns', the higher rent offset our expenses which were quite high. We didn't compromise on our screening and we had our share of "posers" and bad fits that we rejected, leading (ironically) to short term vacancy issues. By the way, we took $0 in FEMA or other federal funds.

I wouldn't do STR on a furnished house, and I'd guess the MA program wouldn't either. Extended Stay "fits" better. Some local Inns/Hotels cater to weekly rentals to cater to homeless. They 'fit' better too.

To sum up, this is probably not an opportunity worth pursuing.

I had lot's of "Katrina victims" submitting applications for my rental properties....very well-heeled victims...I'll end my participation in this thread by saying I'm not a fan of government welfare or socialism...



Chris Martin

Real Estate Investor from Holly Springs, North Carolina

Sep 08 '13, 04:47 PM


Regarding "I'm not a fan of government welfare or socialism..." I hope you don't have any government subsidized FNMA mortgages. If you do, please pay them off with competitive market, commercial loans. You may pay more, but you won't be contributing to government welfare or socialism.



Ben R.

Real Estate Investor from Raleigh, North Carolina

Sep 08 '13, 05:09 PM


Originally posted by Chris Martin:
Regarding "I'm not a fan of government welfare or socialism..." I hope you don't have any government subsidized FNMA mortgages. If you do, please pay them off with competitive market, commercial loans. You may pay more, but you won't be contributing to government welfare or socialism.

Not a very good analogy Chris...I could forego government subsidized loans and only use free market money, but I would be foregoing government subsidized loans that I subsidize, which would be quite unprofitable...If you'll agree to allow me to stop paying in, I'll stop taking out...Nice try but doesn't fly...


Scott Seaman

Multi-family Investor from St Petersburg, Florida

Sep 09 '13, 08:16 AM


We had looked at using old hotels/motels to house the homeless but the operating costs were pretty high compared to apartments/SFH.

And as someone who provides housing for homeless veterans - no matter how it's phrased, the idea that only welfare cheats need a place is both highly offensive and revealing at the same time. Everyone's got places their tax dollars get spent that they'd rather they didn't; get over it.



Ben R.

Real Estate Investor from Raleigh, North Carolina

Sep 10 '13, 06:41 AM
1 vote


Originally posted by @Scott Seaman:
We had looked at using old hotels/motels to house the homeless but the operating costs were pretty high compared to apartments/SFH.
And as someone who provides housing for homeless veterans - no matter how it's phrased, the idea that only welfare cheats need a place is both highly offensive and revealing at the same time. Everyone's got places their tax dollars get spent that they'd rather they didn't; get over it.

@Scott Seaman,

That is a noble thing you are doing, providing housing to homeless people using your own money without reliance upon taxpayer dollars to do so. I am sure you are able to deliver a much greater percentage of your dollar to the recipient than any government program could ever hope to...Kudos...



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