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Residential Lender · Elk Grove, California


Can I get a hallelujah?

As of April 4, 2009 Fannie Mae will increase their current restriction of a max of 4 financed properties BACK to 10!

YOU HEARD ME RIGHT!!!!!!!!!

Ahhhhhh... They finally came to their senses!

Here is an exert from their announcement that came out today!

Fannie Mae is committed to providing financing opportunities for high-credit quality, bona fide investors. Experienced investors play a key role in the housing recovery (duhhhh!) and Fannie Mae's continued support for investor borrowers is consistent with its mission to provide stability, liquidity, and affordability to the nation's housing system.

Fannie Mae is updating the policy that pertains to multiple mortgages to the same borrower. Fannie Mae's current policy limits the number of one- to four-unit financed properties in which the borrower may have an individual or joint ownership interest to four financed properties when the mortgage being delivered to Fannie Mae is secured by an investment property or second home.

The limitation on the number of mortgages currently being financed applies to the total number of properties financed, not just the number of mortgages sold to Fannie Mae. Fannie Mae is modifying this policy to allow investor and second home borrowers to own five to ten financed properties if they meet certain eligibility and underwriting and delivery requirements as outlined in this Announcement.

The new guidelines include a 720 minimum credit score... OK we can do that!

... and 20% down for 1 units and 25% down for 2-4 units!... No problem!

Here some more rules...

-The borrower cannot have any history of bankruptcy or foreclosure within the past seven years.

-The borrower cannot have any delinquencies (30-day or greater) within the past 12 months on any mortgage loans.

- Rental income on the subject investment property must be fully documented.(Rental income from other properties owned by the borrower must be supported by two years' federal income tax returns) I am not sure how they will deal with purchases that were made after your tax return was prepared though...

-The borrower must complete and sign Form 4506 Request for Copy of Tax Return or 4506-T Request for Transcript of Tax Return (we have all clients sign this upfront ...so no worries)

-The borrower must have reserves for the subject property and for other properties currently owned by the borrower. (that makes sense)

These are all very doable! I think Fannie Mae must have read my rant about how they are picking on Investors !

I can't wait to call the Lender that has one my files for the last 45 days! They have been stringing me and my Client along!I have had to bite my tongue because I had no other options. For those who know me... this has been rough. Especially because the guy pretty much told me he could care less about my file and I could wait. That dog just does not hunt!

You can imagine the satisfation I will feel when I rank this file first thing Monday morning! It is a refinance file so I don't have a time contraint and the client will get a better loan elsewhere.

I can't remember the last time I was so darn happy about a guideline change! I going to crack open that bottle of champagne in the fridge and we are celebrating tonight! No really .. I am!

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! This had been the number 1 pain in my side for months!

So all you investors out there who have been on the sidelines... it is time to get back in the game. Dust off those calculators and get out in the streets and look at some real estate!

What a great way to end the week!

:D


Banker · Tampa Area, Florida


glad to hear this....


· Ridgeland, Mississippi


Holy guacamole! That is huge! Trying to verify but it is being talked about on other mortgage sites also so I am saying True.


Real Estate Investor · Mission Viejo, Cape Coral, California


Lets hope Obama does not tighten the screws down on the banks and they do not loosen up. I agree, the banks have to start lending again to get this economy rolling.


· Indianapolis, Indiana


Do you have a link!

If this is true, this is AMAZING news!!!!!!!!!!


Residential Lender · Elk Grove, California


Here it is! https://www.efanniemae.com/sf/guides/ssg/annltrs/pdf/2009/0902.pdf

IT IS TRUE!


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


That doc's worth a read. Min credit scores of 720. For properties 5-10, you need six months reserve for each non-primary residence property.

Still, maybe someone sees that investors just might be the ones to sop up the extra inventory.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


· Rhode Island


This is insane and foolish. Look at the trouble they were in before and will be again. I heard stories of investors who were double dipping and pushing 2 or 3 properties through at the same time so that two homes didn't hit the credit report at the same time. In this case, now they can push through 20 or 30 with these rules again.


Residential Lender · Elk Grove, California


Keep in mind that there are no more stated income loans through Fanie or Freddie as of this month.

All folks would need to fully documents all income and reserves.

I do get your point Rob ...but I think that will be the minority.

I certainly will not do loans like this.


· Indianapolis, Indiana


Rob,

While that was true in the past, it would be very difficult to do something like that today.

This is fantastic news, as there are many good investors who are capped out at four, and they will now be able to invest in a much more secure investment than what they feel the stock market and/or other investments has provided them.

You hear a lot about local banks, commercial loans, ect....but the fact is most local banks do not like to loan to out of state investors, and many people are either intimidated with the blanket loans, or they do not meet the minimum dollar amount purchase requirement. ( Most I have seen are $500K to $1 Million minimums)

Since this is all 720 credit score , full doc, and I believe a 45% DTI, it would be difficult to get in too deep. The guidelines are there to prevent that from happening.

Will people find a way to skirt it, maybe, but then again people always will.

Thank you for the link Team Newington, this has made for a great start to the week for many people!


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Where'd you find a mention of the DTI? I haven't seen that in any of the docs.

These guidelines do seem pretty good. Seems they recognize investors are useful to absorb some inventory. At the same time, they want to be sure investors can really afford the payments. No more buying speculative properties and using a "furniture allowance" to make the payments.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Residential Lender · Elk Grove, California


I am pretty sure Fannie and Freddie reversed their 45% DTI guideline but I don't have a link to share. It initially came out when they said no more stated income but I read later they reversed their cap at 45% DTI>


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


Sorry, I'm not sure what that means. What is the limit, do you know? Seems they will only include rental income if it appears on two tax returns. So, recent purchases and the one you're trying to fund won't count toward your income.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Residential Lender · Elk Grove, California


In the past, in regards to the rental income on a new purchase... Lenders would want a copy of the rental agreement and proof of rent deposits for any property not on tax return in order to use the income. Other lenders would hit you for the entire PITI payment and not let you include the rent. We will just have to see how each lender interprets these rules.


Real Estate Investor · California


GEE, I thought I would be the first to announce this to the group! :)
Yes, I was almost in tears when I heard this!!


· Wentzville/St. Louis, Missouri


Dti is determined by the lenders automated underwriting engine. Could be higher or lower depending on strength of borrower. loans submitted mannually should be at 45%.

I interrepet guidelines for rental income to mean a solid 2 years of tax returns will be needed to use as income. As previously mentioned lenders had some flexibility on how they interrepreted fannie. I don't think we'll get that with properties 5-10. If they wanted flexibility they wouldn't have the guidelines upped to 2 years returns rather than 1 year and also specifically pointed out that reduced documentation shown on automated approvals will not be accepted.

I have calls into lenders and fannie about this so should have some feedback soon.



Originally posted by Harrison Painter

You hear a lot about local banks, commercial loans, ect....but the fact is most local banks do not like to loan to out of state investors, and many people are either intimidated with the blanket loans, or they do not meet the minimum dollar amount purchase requirement. ( Most I have seen are $500K to $1 Million minimums)

Questions if I may be so kind to inquire:

Right now I have a total of 7 mortgages, 6 of which are investment properties. The total outstanding amount we owe is $775K and total value of properties (may be lower now with the drop) is about $1,400,000.00 so about $600K Equity. This is my basic situation on investment properties not counting other investments etc.

Now a few questions:

1. If I get a Blanket loan for $775K to pay off all my properties and make one payment then how does it work for titles and when I sell one what do I do. Does it make it harder to sell a propery later on?

2. On my income taxes (comming up next month) how do I show what interest is deductible to what property etc. What other effects would this have on my taxes?

3. How easy is it to get a Blanket Loan in my situation and the economy in the crapper today.

4. What interest rate can I get. Most of my loans are Monthy Treasure Average Loans or fixed 30 and 40 year rates?

5. IF I can get a blanket loan would it set my Fannie and Freddie clock back to ZERO so I can get 10 more new loans?

It has been suggested to me a few times to get a commercial loan (not that easy to do with out of state properties) and a blanket loan so I am exploring my options.



· Wentzville/St. Louis, Missouri


1. If I get a Blanket loan for $775K to pay off all my properties and make one payment then how does it work for titles and when I sell one what do I do. Does it make it harder to sell a propery later on?

You would need to make sure the lender has releas clauses so that you could sell each property. It could make it harder to sell if you didnt have this.

2. On my income taxes (comming up next month) how do I show what interest is deductible to what property etc. What other effects would this have on my taxes?

Discuss with your CPA

3. How easy is it to get a Blanket Loan in my situation and the economy in the crapper today.

Much tougher. There are very few commercial lenders doing these. A few portfolio lenders are but costs are high. Some local banks will still do this if you live in the area where the proeprties are located. They may not need to blanket them. Each one could be done as a commercial business loan.

4. What interest rate can I get. Most of my loans are Monthy Treasure Average Loans or fixed 30 and 40 year rates?

The range depending on what type of financing source can get it done. Usually from mid 6s to low 8s. Not likely you'd get something with over 20yr amortization. If so, rate would be on the higher side.

5. IF I can get a blanket loan would it set my Fannie and Freddie clock back to ZERO so I can get 10 more new loans?

Still open for discussion. Fannie baiscally says that they wont count as long as the title and loan are in the business name. Some lenders that sell off to Fannie/Freddie have their own internal guidelines that say they still will count if using a LLC but not a C corp.


Real Estate Investor · Mobile, Alabama


@Rob - joking right? With the guidelines given, they keep any inexperienced investors out, which was a smart idea. I'm out too. I've been using private capital due to bank financing not being available to me.


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