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Forums » Private & Conventional Lending Discussion » Borrower wants to refinance SFR that is in a SDIRA

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Commercial Loan Officer


This is a new one for me so I'm looking for some advice. I have a client with a high-end SFR that was bought this year through a SDIRA.
It's an investment property that has a zero balance on it. My client would like to take a loan against the property (through their IRA) as a cash-out refinance, but the few lenders I've talked to don't know much about the holding entity so are skittish.
My question is are there lenders that specialize in these types of loans??


Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


There are only a few lenders who will do this. We have a local bank here, 1st Bank, but they're only in a few states around here. Once upon a time I found one company that was nationwide. Based somewhere in MO, IIRC, but I can't recall the name. Google for "IRA loans" and I think you'll find it.

These loans must be fully non-recourse. No personal guarantees or anything. Last I checked, max LTVs were 65%. When I spoke to the guy at 1st Bank, he said you would need to hold it a year to do a cash out refi based on a new value, but they could do one immediately based on the purchase price.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Commercial Loan Officer


Thanks for the reply. I can use the purchase price if need be so that issue is OK.
I'm trying to use my portfolio lender since they like high-end homes, but they're not too crazy about the non-recourse aspect so I'm trying to explore all my options.
I'll check with First Bank and post the results. Thanks again.


Accountant · Aurora, Colorado


Darryl,
I know a couple of contacts that might be able to give more ideas on the non-recourse financing if you are still looking, you can PM me. You might also need to know that there is a special tax return due on these deals with debt. I recently did my first return like this. The other things to be aware of is watching the cash flow as more IRA money would be needed if there was a cash shortage. You should also pay down the mortgage at least a year before sale to minimize any potential taxes. It is a little strange, so I am just informing you.
Sheldon


SFR Investor · Long Beach, California


You want to contact North American Savings Bank. To my knowledge, they are one of the earliest to specialize in these types of loans and still among the best. They will do cash out refi's but you are talking about maybe 60% - 65% LTV if memory serves correct.


Commercial Loan Officer


Thanks for all the replies. Jon actually pointed me towards North American Savings Bank, and you are correct Brian, the LTV is 65%.
Too bad the borrower found the lender right after I did! You win some, you loose some.


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


NASB is the premier lender for self directed IRAs, but as others mentioned, you have seasoning issues as well as a Max LTV of 65%.

The other issue not mentioned is the occuarnce or possibility of tax implications due to the unrelated debt financing income (UDFI) which can trigger UBTI (unrelated business taxable income).

You should have your client speak to an educated CPA on this matter as it can be quite complicated.
The only way to avoid the income tax all together when using debt financing on properties held in IRAs is to pay the loan off and hold for 365 days before selling.

Small_barnardenterprisesWill Barnard, Barnard Enterprises, Inc.
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Commercial Loan Officer


Great point Will. I will be sure to bring this matter up. Even though I am no longer involved in the loan, looking out for a client's best interest has a way of generating referrals.
NASB was willing to overlook the seasoning issue since the property is owned free and clear and the owner had done some capital improvements on it. Given what the loan amount was, we could have used the PNS as a bases for the loan amount.
Thanks again for all the great input!


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