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· Simpsonville, South Carolina


I'm selling my primary residence with owner financing (bond for title). I still have a mortgage on it of $174,000 plus equity line of $18,000. House $250,000, 2% down, 5 3/4% interest. My personal interest rate is 4.125%. THE BUYER HAS REFUSED TO GIVE ME CREDIT OR FINANCIAL HISTORY. Should I tell them to either prequalify or get lost?

Advise please!


Real Estate Investor · Austin, Texas


I would tell them to take a hike if they outright refused. They are trying to hide something.

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Real Estate Investor · Colorado Springs, Colorado


Bryan is absolutely right. Some people are not even worth dealing with. You're offering very favorable terms to a buyer (too good if you ask me, assuming $250k is a fair value) so they should be bending over backward and giving you everything you ask for and more.


Real Estate Investor · Cincinnati, Ohio


This is definately trouble. Does your existing mortgage have a alienation clause (cant transfer title without paying off mortgage)? That can also cause problems...


· Simpsonville, South Carolina


The $250,000 is less than my recent appraisal of $255,000 so I'm not asking an unreasonable amount.

The buyers girl friend says she's a realtor in California and she does seem knowlegeable BUT she's the one who had a fit when I asked for a credit history. I think I'm walking from this deal.

I'm also concerned about the Due On Sale Clause and should I be straight forward with the bank and tell them right out that I'm planning on owner financing? I do have someone else interested in the property.


Real Estate Investor · Austin, Texas


There are countless threads on the due-on-sale clause on the forums. I suggest you read them to see what everyone thinks.

The general consensus is that you should inform your lender and not doing so will make your note callable in the future. What would you do with your financing if the bank DOES call the note when market interest rates rise? You will have to refinance your financing and will be upside down with the gangster terms the lender gives.

If you do wrap around your note make sure you get a short balloon so that you can make adjustments as the market changes.

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Real Estate Investor · Charlotte, North Carolina


run away!!! you are offering to lend them 255,000 with only 2% down....no freakin way i'm doing that without seeing credit and tax returns..make sure you get as much proof as possible..it's better to hold out for the best possible buyer than to get desperate and put somebody in the house...this will cause more trouble when you have to foreclose on them...


Real Estate Investor · Huber Heights, Ohio


I agree with Bryan. The problems in my opinion maybe the fear of identity theft or there pulling your leg and cant afford the property. I do my fair share of owner financing and hear regularly "Were going to do a back ground check on you to be sure your a legitimate business." My responds is "please do"!!!! I would walk away but if you choose to move forward maybe having a property manager handle the confidential information would make them feel more comfortable. Thats if you even want to be bothered with the deal anymore.

LeJonR


Commercial Real Estate Broker · Canton, Georgia


Depending on the state foreclosure laws the cost and time to get back the property can be significant.

Being an agent from California means nothing except they think they are smarter than you.

The credit probably has nice little problems that tell a story.

Why not sell outright so you can emotionally move on with your life.Even if you sell for five or ten thousand less it is worth the peace of mind.

2% down isn't squat.Between foreclosure costs,default payments on the owner finance and damage to the property you will lose money on this deal.

Why not give a lease option and have the money down non-refundable for any reason but credited off the sales price at closing??

You can do a lease purchase but then that creates a secured interest in the property and complicated things.

good luck


Commercial Real Estate Broker · Canton, Georgia


Forgot to mention with the lease you are just evicting and keeping the money if they don't perform.

I would make the payment down at least 8 to 10 percent.

How is South Carolina performing?? If the market is dropping by 1 percent a month then it might not be a good idea to lease option as if they don't buy you now have to sell for a lower price.If trends show going up then you could get more in the future if they default.

A local broker should be able to show you a trailing 12 month to 3 month status report on similar sold's to give you a history.


· Simpsonville, South Carolina


Thanks for your replies!

I am callling the bank on Monday re: due-on-sale clause and I'm calling THOSE people tomorrow to say "no deal".

Property here in SC isn't doing too bad. It has slowed since rates went up I'm told. Interesting how we get used to the low 4's when it wasn't that long ago 6% was a great deal.


Real Estate Investor · Charlotte, North Carolina


what bank is it? reason i ask is if you get on a phone with a chase representative, their standard canned answer is "you can't do that, and we'll call the loan due." if it's a smaller bank where you can talk direclty to somebody with authority, there's ways to word it correctly so that hopefully they'll say, "no problem." a contract for deed is basically a more sophisticated lease option...the title stays in your name...why not just sell and move on? sounds like you have some equity, so that you may not have to take a loss...basicaly youcould sell and leave teh table with a decent check...owner financing is a huge hassle...are you prepared to make the payments for 6 months if your buyer isn't paying and you have to foreclose on him?? what if he trashed the place and you then have 10k or more in damage??


· Simpsonville, South Carolina


It's Flagstar Bank. I just refinanced through them several months ago.

I could sell outright but don't need the cash and was hoping to use the house as an investment to generate some monthly income.

I had originally asked for 6% interest on owner financing and thought that sounded too high but after reading some of the threads on this site it actually sounds more than reasonable BUT with little down, drives the buyers monthly payment, along with taxes, etc; quite high.

It is beyond me how some can get 8+% interest and a decent down payment to boot!


Real Estate Investor · Austin, Texas


It is called the golden rule...you have the gold so you make the rules!

I finance at 8.5% for what it's worth.

BTW....CFD or even a lease for longer than 3 years violates the due on sale clause too. Keeping title in your name doesn't ensure that it isn't a "sale" in the eyes of the law.

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· Denver, CO


This sounds like nothing but trouble


Real Estate Agent · Lenexa, Kansas


2% on 250k is barely more than first month, last month and security on a $1500/mo rental, they are tryin to hose you.

It's a buyers market for sure, but they are NOT buyers if they are looking for owner financing, ball is in your court. Cover yourself.


Real Estate Investor · Charlotte, North Carolina


my advice is to sell the house...whatever you make off that, use to buy a rental or something else with much less risk, mortgage exposure, and will prob throw off better cashflow, plus you will have more equity


Real Estate Investor · Clearwater, Florida


I wouldn't call them at all. Move on to look for the next buyer. When they finally call you tell them they can provide info or kick rocks!


· Simpsonville, South Carolina


I've run into a snag with doing any kind of owner financing. Seems when I refied in August 2010 I signed a letter stating that I would occupy the home for 12 months. Has anyone heard of this?

If I can get the bank to waive the letter, I am planning on doing a straight lease because I do have a due on sale clause.

Thanks again!


Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


My goodness, are you serious....2% down? That's not a down payment, that's closing costs....maybe!

I have been pretty creative to obtain 10% down in a short period of time, cross colateralization with other assets comes to mind.....no way do you do 2%!

Any buyer can contest your foreclosure action, regardless of what contract you use, you can easily eat up 3 grand with an attorney just to get a house back, 6 months missed payments....if you can't cover the foreclosure expenses from a buyer in a seller financed deal, don't do the deal. Good luck...




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