Registration is now open for our Wholesaling and Fix & Flip Bootcamps. Register Now!

Hide this

Jump to Category View All

Click a category below to view different forum categories.

BiggerPockets

General Info

Rss10 BiggerPockets Q&A, Site Questions, & Announcements

964 topics, 7692 posts — Last Post 02/09/12, 05:05AM

Rss10 BiggerPockets Exclusive PRO Area

10 topics, 73 posts — Last Post 02/06/12, 09:15PM

Rss10 New Member Introductions

4490 topics, 25668 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 03:57PM

Rss10 BiggerPockets Success Stories

142 topics, 1632 posts — Last Post 01/28/12, 09:34AM

Rss10 BiggerPockets Real Estate Investing Summit

16 topics, 560 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 04:23PM

General Real Estate

General Real Estate

Rss10 Buying Real Estate

1196 topics, 9040 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 06:13PM

Rss10 Selling Real Estate

303 topics, 2364 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 10:05AM

Rss10 Renters

189 topics, 1529 posts — Last Post 12/28/11, 05:55AM

Rss10 Get Foreclosure Help - Help Stop Foreclosure Forum

218 topics, 1728 posts — Last Post 02/02/12, 10:07PM

Rss10 Home Owner Association (HOA) Issues & Problems Forum

105 topics, 662 posts — Last Post 02/09/12, 09:42AM

Rss10 Do it Yourself

312 topics, 2699 posts — Last Post 02/09/12, 07:25PM

Reviews & Feedback

Rss10 Real Estate Deal Analysis and Advice

1555 topics, 12287 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 04:19PM

Rss10 Real Estate Guru, Book & Course Reviews and Discussions

678 topics, 6770 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 09:59AM

Rss10 Ask About A Real Estate Company

309 topics, 4634 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 03:12PM

Real Estate Investing

Real Estate Strategies

Rss10 Wholesaling

2407 topics, 18099 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 02:55PM

Rss10 Rehabbing and House Flipping

1478 topics, 12679 posts — Last Post 02/09/12, 11:27AM

Rss10 Real Estate Development

190 topics, 1025 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 10:14AM

Rss10 Pre-Construction & New Home Construction

85 topics, 530 posts — Last Post 01/10/12, 07:04PM

Rss10 Innovative Strategies

328 topics, 2306 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 09:59AM

Rss10 Tax Liens, Notes, Paper, & Cash Flows Discussion

435 topics, 2413 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 04:53PM

Rss10 Rent to Own a.k.a. Lease Purchase, Lease Options

341 topics, 2086 posts — Last Post 02/07/12, 07:38PM

Rss10 1031 Exchanges

58 topics, 316 posts — Last Post 12/17/11, 05:10PM

Foreclosure Investing

Rss10 General Foreclosure & Pre-Foreclosure Forums

1096 topics, 6537 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 11:07AM

Rss10 HUD, VA, and Tax Sales

197 topics, 1221 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 12:34PM

Rss10 REOs

923 topics, 7650 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 12:52PM

Rss10 Short Sales

1221 topics, 10051 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 02:40PM

Landlord & Tenant Forums

Rss10 Rental Property Questions & Landlording Issues

2940 topics, 26278 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 05:13PM

Rss10 Land & Farm Investing

116 topics, 728 posts — Last Post 01/29/12, 06:46PM

Rss10 Mobile Homes & Mobile Home Park Investing

392 topics, 2866 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 03:22PM

Real Estate Dealmaking

Rss10 Make Deals, Find Partners, Mentors & BirdDogs, etc.

3648 topics, 13401 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 09:40AM

Rss10 Promote Your Real Estate Buyer's List

152 topics, 669 posts — Last Post 01/23/12, 12:35PM

Rss10 Property Wanted

626 topics, 3019 posts — Last Post 01/19/12, 02:47PM

Rss10 Seeking Financing, Money, or Loans

1218 topics, 7344 posts — Last Post 02/03/12, 11:21PM

Rss10 Tax Liens, Notes, Paper, & Cash Flows Dealmaking

273 topics, 1990 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 02:30AM

Rss10 Bulk REO Discussion and REO Dealmaking

845 topics, 5917 posts — Last Post 02/02/12, 04:20PM

Investor Basics

Rss10 Starting Out

4060 topics, 29633 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 07:38AM

Rss10 Investor Psychology

289 topics, 4281 posts — Last Post 01/26/12, 07:52PM

Rss10 General Real Estate Investing

3057 topics, 20771 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 12:54PM

Rss10 Real Estate Investor Marketing

868 topics, 7055 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 04:34PM

Commercial Real Estate

Rss10 Commercial Real Estate Investing Forum

718 topics, 3839 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 09:28PM

Rss10 Multi-Family and Apartment Investing

142 topics, 1348 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 04:35PM

Rss10 Office Investing

3 topics, 36 posts — Last Post 11/15/11, 02:42PM

Rss10 Industrial Property Investing

3 topics, 12 posts — Last Post 07/05/11, 10:41AM

Rss10 Retail Property Investing

6 topics, 42 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 10:19AM

Rss10 CRE Financing and Lending

17 topics, 188 posts — Last Post 01/26/12, 05:55PM

Rss10 CRE Syndication and Fundraising

25 topics, 208 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 12:57PM

Rss10 CRE Property Management & Leasing

2 topics, 11 posts — Last Post 12/11/11, 05:05PM

The Business of Real Estate

Real Estate Technology and the Internet

Rss10 Technology, Social Media, Real Estate & The Web

244 topics, 2018 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 06:20AM

Rss10 Real Estate Blogs & Blogging

23 topics, 278 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 11:01AM

Business Basics

Rss10 Goals, Business Plans & Entities

400 topics, 3913 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 07:12PM

Real Estate Finance & Legal

Financial, Tax, and Legal

Rss10 Tax, Legal Issues, Contracts, Self-Directed IRA

1210 topics, 8254 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 12:47PM

Rss10 Credit & Credit Repair

177 topics, 1444 posts — Last Post 01/25/12, 06:56AM

Rss10 Property Insurance

117 topics, 753 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 11:33PM

Rss10 Bankruptcy

21 topics, 110 posts — Last Post 12/09/11, 10:01AM

Loans, Mortgages, Credit Lines

Rss10 Private & Conventional Lending Discussion

1245 topics, 7170 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 05:29PM

Rss10 Creative Real Estate Financing

623 topics, 3989 posts — Last Post 01/30/12, 05:35PM

Real Estate Professionals

Real Estate Professionals

Rss10 Real Estate Agents

611 topics, 3290 posts — Last Post 02/09/12, 06:32PM

Rss10 Bankers, Lenders, and Mortgage Brokers

351 topics, 1252 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 11:50AM

Rss10 Contractors

117 topics, 626 posts — Last Post 02/08/12, 10:17AM

Local Real Estate

International Real Estate

Local Real Estate

Rss10 Local Real Estate Networking

573 topics, 3015 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 01:59PM

Rss10 Americans & International Real Estate

138 topics, 499 posts — Last Post 12/24/11, 07:44AM

Rss10 Foreigners Buying in the USA

54 topics, 281 posts — Last Post 01/18/12, 09:33PM

Rss10 Canadian Real Estate

25 topics, 117 posts — Last Post 02/06/12, 05:17PM

Marketplace

Real Estate Marketplace

Rss10 Mortgages & Lending

388 topics, 1730 posts — Last Post 01/23/12, 02:23PM

Rss10 Residential Property, Land, & Farms For Sale

756 topics, 1414 posts — Last Post 12/26/11, 01:22PM

Rss10 Real Estate Events & Happenings

113 topics, 453 posts — Last Post 01/11/12, 05:36PM

Rss10 Commercial Properties for Sale or Lease

223 topics, 668 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 10:59AM

Rss10 Domains & Website Reviews

44 topics, 334 posts — Last Post 11/15/11, 09:55AM

Rss10 Classifieds - Promote your Website, Newsletter, or Product

582 topics, 2646 posts — Last Post 02/10/12, 04:56PM

Off-Topic

Off Topic

Rss10 Off-Topic

1769 topics, 18869 posts — Last Post 02/11/12, 05:07PM

Rss10 Housing News & Real Estate Market

647 topics, 6308 posts — Last Post 02/09/12, 08:59AM

BiggerPockets Resources

Forums » Tax, Legal Issues, Contracts, Self-Directed IRA » Sell your house to your llc then rent

Sell your house to your llc then rent Subscribe to Sell your house to your llc then rent

12 posts by 6 users

Signup

Multi-family Investor · Bellefonte, Pennsylvania


Has anyone ever sold their primary residence to their LLC and then rented their home back from their LLC? I was thinking this could have some fantastic tax savings by expensing home maintenance/utilities/insurance, etc through the LLC for a tax write off.

-Michael


Commercial Real Estate Broker · Memphis, Tennessee


It is going to really depend on your state's property tax laws and the appreciation in value of your home.

If your state has a homestead exemption on property tax, then your llc is not going to qualify for homestead exemption. So your property tax bill will be higher.

You will not qualify for Section 121 Capital Gains Exclusion on your primary residence if your LLC owns the house. You will have to depreciate the house over 23.5 years, but this amount will be recaptured at 25% when you sell. You can do a 1031 exchange, but pay the extra fees, while it would have been tax free for nothing in your own name.

Your property insurance will most likely be higher as you have to pay for a landlord policy owned by the llc and a renters policy in your name.

The yearly fees and taxes on the llc will add up depending upon the state that you are located. The additional paperwork and forms will add up. Depending on where you live, the local jurisdiction may require your llc to have a business license and pay more taxes.

Unless your house is free and clear, it would violated Due on Sale clause. Yes not likely to be invoked now, but it is a possibility.

Asset protection this will be neutral unless the LLC has another member besides you.

I don't see how you would deduct utilities unless they were provided in the rent. The IRS will want to make sure this is a true market rent if they figure out you are renting to yourself.

In summary, I don't think the tax savings in deductions would outweigh what I have listed unless you think your market will not appreciate. If you think that, then you are better off just renting from someone else anyway.


Real Estate Investor · San Francisco, CA


What exactly is your goal? Is the tax write off what you're after? Why not just rent space to your LLC as an office? This way you have income coming in from rents paid by your LLC to you. You can then deduct the expenses (% of usage) through your LLC. Kitchen (break room), hallways (common areas), etc.

It would be different if the property was owned by your business and do a sales-leaseback to generate capital.

You need to consult with a CPA regarding this.


Multi-family Investor · Bellefonte, Pennsylvania


My goal was to legally expense the expenses of my primary residence. I calculated my primary just like I calculate a rental so I know how much it's costing me out of pocket per month and last week I was thinking that it would be nice if I could set it up so that the house is owned by a company and I rent from the company so all the expenses related to owing the home are tax deductible except for the renters insurance I would carry for the contents.

I also thought it might improve asset protection a bit.

-Michael



Some friends are computer contractors who started their own (1 employee/1 owner) contracting companies. They setup their companies to provide cars to all of their employees. My understanding is that is legal if your INC company has HR benefits that are available to all employees. Of course your company would only have one or two (spouse or adult child) employees.

If they did it with their cars, why can't your company provide a housing allowance to all employees to " offset local living expenses" .



The question for your accountant is not to ask, " Is this legal?" The question is more, " How can this be done so it's legal? Do some out of the box thinking."


Real Estate Investor · Las Vegas, Nevada


Originally posted by "dafly"
My goal was to legally expense the expenses of my primary residence.

The tradeoff is that you are giving up your capital gains exclusion on a primary residence when you sell. If you wind up with a large gain you may regret using this tactic.

8)


Multi-family Investor · Bellefonte, Pennsylvania


Thanks Richard. I that was the reason I was looking for to not do it.

-Michael


Banker · Pleasanton, California


Just when you're ready to put it on the market, buy the home from the LLC. That way, you would be selling your primary residence and can take the tax exclusion.

Best of both worlds.


Real Estate Investor · Las Vegas, Nevada


Originally posted by "TheBank"
Just when you're ready to put it on the market, buy the home from the LLC. That way, you would be selling your primary residence and can take the tax exclusion.

Best of both worlds.

One problem with that the house must have been your primary residence for 2 of the last 5 years. You will also have recapture on any depreciation that you claimed. If the IRS initiates an audit and found that the transfer was done to avoid taxes in a fraudulent manner you are in for a world of trouble.

8)


Banker · Pleasanton, California


Totally agree, Richard. The moment we try to work around the legal system for tax or otherwise, we're open to slightly unethical processes and accept the risk/reward ratio.


Multi-family Investor · Bellefonte, Pennsylvania


There's nothing illegal about it it's just that you have to weigh the pros and the cons, and Richard pointed out a con that for me out weighs the pros.

Just when you're ready to put it on the market, buy the home from the LLC. That way, you would be selling your primary residence and can take the tax exclusion.

Best of both worlds.

Moving a house into an LLC isn't that hard, moving it out however is a little different and what you are talking about would be borderline illegal. It's also not the brightest move in the book because an 1031 would do it legally.

-Michael


Sign up