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Carpenter · Missoula, Montana


I recently received this email (forwarded from an investor friend). Does anyone know anything about this bill?

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> Urgent - Senate Bill to Crush Our Business
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> Must Read
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> Industry needs your help!
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> Dear Investor,
> Please read the information below regarding an urgent Bill that has been passed by the House and is being considered in the Senate.
>
> You must take action NOW as this will inpact all of us!
>
> Dear Fellow Speaker;
>
> I don't know if you've heard about HR 1728, but it's a heinous infringement on private property rights that is likely to shut down the creative selling market. IT HAS ALREADY PASSED THE HOUSE AND IS UNDER CONSIDERATION BY THE SENATE NOW. I have attached an article about it that you should blast to your students ASAP, we need massive action on this immediately to stop it.
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>
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> House Bill 1787-Why it's Death to Your Business and What to Do About it.
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> The U.S. Senate is considering a bill that would severely limit the way you do business as a creative investor and, more importantly, is an inexcusable infringement of the property rights of all Americans.
>
> HR 1728, which you can view in its entirety here: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1728 deals with a plethora of mortgage-related issues, mostly around limited terms and fees on residential loans. But the heinous piece of the legislation is in section 101(3)(e), which defines the affected principals as:
> '(E) does not include, with respect to a residential mortgage loan, a person, estate, or trust that provides mortgage financing for the sale of 1 property in any 36-month period, provided that such loan-
> (i) is fully amortizing;
> (ii) is with respect to a sale for which the seller determines in good faith and documents that the buyer has a reasonable ability to repay the loan;
> (iii) has a fixed rate or an adjustable rate that is adjustable after 5 or more years, subject to reasonable annual and lifetime limitations on interest rate increases; and
> (iv) meets any other criteria the Federal banking agencies may prescribe; and
>
> Yeah, I know, confusing. But here's what it says: you are NOT subject to the law as long as you DON'T sell more than 1 property with owner financing every 3 years! Or, to put it another way, you ARE subject to the limitations of the law if you DO sell more than one property every 3 years via a land contract, owner-held mortgage or wrap-around mortgage-and who knows if they'll define lease/options as owner financing, too?
>
> So what does it mean to be "subject to the law"? Well, at the very least, it means that you will have to comply with a long, confusing, and penalty-filled piece of national legislation. Here are the types of transactions that you would be restricted from doing more than once every 36 months:
>
> o Selling YOUR OWN HOME using a land contract or owner-held mortgage so that you can get a quicker sale, higher sale price, or better rate of interest than is available in other investments
>
> o Carrying back owner-held second mortgages on investment properties that you sell
>
> o Doing any kind of installment sale on residential properties including homes, condos, mobile homes, and even raw land that is zoned residential
>
> Yes, there will undoubtedly by ways to "get around it"-some have suggested that getting a mortgage broker's license and then learning and following the vast new set of regulations would circumvent the "problem". But bottom line is, this law has to be stopped and it has to be stopped NOW. Here's why:
>
> 1. Congress is trying to regulate the wrong thing. The deals we make are not "loans"-they don't involve the transfer of money, or points or closing costs or adjustable rates or any of the other things that caused the mortgage crisis to begin with. They are INSTALLMENT SALES. We don't give money to the "borrower" and wait for it to be paid back: we give a property to the borrower and wait for it to be paid off. Regulating this will have no effect on the foreclosure crisis
>
> 2. It is a completely unacceptable infringement on private property rights. When I own a piece of property and find a ready, willing, and able purchaser, I should be able to control the sale of that property within the existing laws of my state, which already regulate the interest rate that I am able to charge and some of the terms of the sale. The government does not have the right to tell us that we need special licensing to sell our own properties; nor do they have the right to further regulate the terms under which we can sell or burden small investors with a new set of rules that we can't comply with.
>
> Not only will this new law, if passed as written, effectively choke off owner financing as an exit strategy for you, it will also take away housing choice for your buyers. The millions of Americans who've been through foreclosure in the last 3 years can't buy a house in any way OTHER THAN to negotiate owner financing with a seller-and HR 1728 would greatly reduce the number of properties available in this way. Millions of potential home owners who would otherwise be able to re-start the process of paying off a home, and get the tax advantages of ownership, will be reduced to renting until they are able to qualify for bank financing.
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>
>
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> What to Do Right Now
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>
> This bill has already passed the house and is waiting for Senate approval. Please contact your senator via email and snail mail to let him know that this law MUST NOT PASS in its current form. You can get your senator's contact information here: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
>
> As always in cases like this, you have an automatic handicap to overcome-the fact that you are a real estate investor and are therefore viewed as part of the problem. So when you write, don't emphasize the nature of your business, just that you and your buyers would be greatly aversely affected by the new law.
>
> We need THOUSANDS of these communications to go out in the next few days to have a CHANCE of stopping this in its tracks. So whether you're a new or experienced investor, PLEASE take the time right now to write your elected representative!
>
> PS Vote libertarian!
>
> Here are some sample letters or emails.
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> IF YOU HAVE A REAL ESTATE LICENSE
> Dear Senator [name];
>
> My name is (insert name here) and I am a life-long resident of (insert city name here).
>
> I am writing you to encourage you to vote NO on HR 1728, the "Mortgage Reform and Anti-Predatory Lending Act".
>
> While many of the provisions of the act are positive steps toward mortgage reform, the inclusion of private owners in the act (see section 101(3)(e)) will enormously reduce the housing choice of Ohioans and the ability of home owners to sell properties in this already-slow market.
>
> As a real estate broker, I have seen several dozen cases in the past year of home sellers and buyers coming to an agreement for an installment sale on a property that the owner desperately needed to sell (often to avoid foreclosure) and the buyer desperately wanted to buy, but could not raise the downpayment needed for conventional financing.
>
> In all cases, these sales turned out to be win-win deals for the buyer and seller; the seller was able to get rid of an unwanted property to a buyer who loved it, and the buyer was able to get his new home at an affordable payment and interest rates with none of the usual costs (points, application fees etc) inherent in more conventional mortgage transactions.
>
> In Ohio, these transactions are already regulated by state law: a low maximum interest rate is already in place, and both the buyer and seller are protected by other regulations at the state level.
>
> In defense of private property rights, owners should be exempted from the burdensome and unnecessary rules that this law foists upon them. In its current form, it would all but shut off the "owner financing" market that is the only way that many sellers can sell and many buyers can buy right now.
>
> PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS RESTRICTION ON PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS PASS THE SENATE. It is unnecessary to stop private buyers and sellers from transacting business that is beneficial to both of them-they are not the problem that the bill seeks to solve. HR 1728 would be extremely harmful to thousands of your constituents.
>
> It will exacerbate the problem OF foreclosure, as fewer sellers will be able to sell their homes to avoid it, and CAUSED BY foreclosure, as fewer buyers who have recently experienced foreclosure will be able to re-start the process of home ownership inexpensively and easily by negotiating owner financing.
>
> Thank you for your consideration;
>
> Insert Name
> Licensed Real Estate Broker license #
> Phone #
> email
>
>
>
>
> IF YOU SELL HOUSES WITH OWNER FINANCING
> Dear Senator [name];
>
> My name is (insert name here) and I am a life-long resident of (insert city name here).
>
>
> I am writing you to encourage you to vote NO on HR 1728, the "Mortgage Reform and Anti-Predatory Lending Act".
>
> While many of the provisions of the act are positive steps toward mortgage reform, the inclusion of private owners in the act (see section 101(3)(e)) will enormously reduce the housing choice of Ohioans and the ability of home owners to sell properties in this already-slow market.
>
> As a professional housing provider, I sell several houses each year to home buyers on installment sale [or, if you have not purchased a property, add here: "I had planned to sell several houses this year on installment sale]-a practice that would become impossible under this law in its current form.
> I find that in today's slow market, the best way for me to help buyers who desperately want to become homeowners, but who cannot raise the downpayment or meet the other terms needed for conventional financing, is to allow them to make payments directly to me.
>
> These sales are win-win deals for both the buyer and myself; I am able to turn over homes that I've bought and rehabbed (often from foreclosures) to buyers who love and can afford them, and the buyer can get his new home at an affordable payment and interest rates with none of the usual costs (points, application fees etc) inherent in more conventional mortgage transactions.
>
> In Ohio, these transactions are already regulated by state law: a low maximum interest rate is already in place, and both the buyer and seller are protected by other regulations at the state level.
>
> Without the ability to sell homes in this way, I will no longer be able to invest in and renovate any of the tens of thousands of vacant, ugly houses placed on the market by the foreclosure crisis, and my small-but-beneficial business will literally be in ruins. Perhaps more importantly, the homeowner-buyers that I serve will be forced to rent rather than moving toward the American dream of home ownership.
>
> In defense of private property rights, owners should be exempted from the burdensome and unnecessary rules that this law foists upon them. In its current form, it would all but shut off the "owner financing" market that is the only way that many sellers can sell and many buyers can buy right now.
>
> PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS RESTRICTION ON PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS PASS THE SENATE. It is unnecessary to stop private buyers and sellers from transacting business that is beneficial to both of them-they are not the problem that the bill seeks to solve. HR 1728 would be extremely harmful to thousands of your constituents.
>
> It will exacerbate the problem OF foreclosure, as fewer sellers will be able to sell their homes to avoid it, and CAUSED BY foreclosure, as fewer buyers who have recently experienced foreclosure will be able to re-start the process of home ownership inexpensively and easily by negotiating owner financing.
>
> Thank you for your consideration;
>
> Insert Name
> Perfect Properties, inc.
> Phone number
> email
>
> IF YOU BUY HOUSES WITH OWNER FINANCING
> Dear Senator [name];
>
> My name is (insert name here) and I am a life-long resident of (insert city name here).
>
> I am writing you to encourage you to vote NO on HR 1728, the "Mortgage Reform and Anti-Predatory Lending Act".
>
> While many of the provisions of the act are positive steps toward mortgage reform, the inclusion of private owners in the act (see section 101(3)(e)) will enormously reduce the housing choice of Ohioans and the ability of home owners to sell properties in this already-slow market.
>
> In the past year, I have purchased and renovated several homes-made possible only because the sellers of these homes were able to sell to me using owner financing in an unrestricted way.
>
> For many of these property owners, seller financing was the only way to unburden themselves of an unwanted property that, in some cases, was headed toward foreclosure before I purchased it.
>
> Without this ability, I can not continue to buy and renovate properties in the neighborhoods that so need me and my colleagues to invest our time, energy, and money in rehabbing properties. Bank financing is not an option for these properties because of the condition; only financing carried by the sellers will suffice.
>
> Section 101(3)(e) would keep my sellers from utilizing this method of getting rid of unwanted properties in today's market, should they have more than 1 to sell.
>
> In defense of private property rights, owners should be exempted from the burdensome and unnecessary rules that this law foists upon them. In its current form, it would all but shut off the "owner financing" market that is the only way that many sellers can sell and many buyers can buy right now.
>
> PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS RESTRICTION ON PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS PASS THE SENATE. It is unnecessary to stop private buyers and sellers from transacting business that is beneficial to both of them-they are not the problem that the bill seeks to solve. HR 1728 would be extremely harmful to thousands of your constituents.
>
> It will exacerbate the problem OF foreclosure, as fewer sellers will be able to sell their homes to avoid it, and CAUSED BY foreclosure, as fewer buyers who have recently experienced foreclosure will be able to re-start the process of home ownership inexpensively and easily by negotiating owner financing.
>
> Thank you for your consideration;
>
> Insert Name
> Perfect Properties, inc.
> Phone number
> email
>
>
>


Real Estate Investor · South Carolina


Most of the bill is targeting predatory lending practices and seeks to regulate the mortgage lending industry. We probably need most of the things this bill purports to do.

If you object to the once in 36 month limitation on owner financed sales, then ask your Senator to amend the bill to fully exempt property owners who sell their own property and carry back the financing with the property as collateral for the loan.

Under the language of the bill, as I read it, you can still sell your own property and carry back the financing. If you do it more often than once every 36 months, you will have to provide your buyer with certain disclosures required by the Truth In Lending Act, you will have to confirm that the buyer has the ability to repay the loan, and you will have to follow RESPA guidelines.

What is the problem? Shouldn't we as investors be doing all this anyway?


Carpenter · Missoula, Montana


While I agree as investors we should have certain standards and ethics we adhere to, I don't believe the gov't needs/or has the right to legislate how we sell our personal property, be it cars, rifles, real estate, or anything else.

I don't know how much real estate investing you have done personally, (I am just starting out and have one property under my belt) but I am absolutely sick of gov't intrusion and paperwork. I don't know much enough about the predatory lending end of things, but I do think making creative real estate more difficult to do is going to force a lot of people with no other way out straight into foreclosure.
Maybe I'm way off base, but I would think you, as an investor, would agree that gov't regulation and red tape rarely makes things better, and it certainly will make all investors' jobs more difficult as well as less profitable.


Note Investor · Kalamazoo, Michigan


Why the government would try to make it more diffacult for sellers to move property in these times is beyond me. Restricting the use of seller financing is a joke when bank loans are getting harder to come by. I think the government should by trying to stimulate the use of seller financing not restrict it.


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


This has already passed the house. It is a serious threat to investors. How are we to determine if a buyer can afford the house? Are you crazy to say that isn't a big deal!!! The banks are in this mess because they COULDn't determine if buyer would go bad-- and the lender is in the business. Please write your senator. This is ridiculous to think it wouldn't hurt us. You don't want to jump through hoops every time you sell a home with owner financing. The flippers would be hurt. The way it is written, habitat for humanity would cease operating as well as others, imo.


Note Investor · Kalamazoo, Michigan


I didn't even think about what this could do for Habitat for Humanity, are you sure this can impact the non profits that offer seller financing or are they somehow excluded?


Note Investor · Kalamazoo, Michigan


Because of my companies dealer status we already have to pay capital gains on the difference between the sale price and our cost on installment sales which seems crazy when we are making it easier for the common man to get into a home/ The American Dream! It's already hard enough-why make it any harder?


Real Estate Investor · Rochester Hills, Michigan


While I am not a lawyer I did chat with one of the best in MI and he indicated a few things....as the bill currently stands:

- At it's worst get Licensed. Would this be a pain - yes - but would this be a business killer? No

- At the very least more forms to fill out - again - not a biz killer

- This bill does not make it wrong to hold a note - just for a seller to originate a note - so you can have a lisc. lender originate a mortgage for you - assign it to you and your in the same spot as you are today BUT you will have to go through your states foreclosure process VS what you can get away with today

Still this should be fought and we all need to write our senators - really - go do that now.

Marc - as for your comment on "dealer status" I thought it was the opposite - I thought you had to pay capitol gains UNLESS you were a dealer - meaning - if you did under 25 homes a year you had to pay capitol gains but if you did more you had an exemption?

I am sure you know but just thought I would ask for a clarification.


Real Estate Investor · Rochester Hills, Michigan


Oh - and PS - after you do a certain number of deals - I think it is 5 a year - you have to be fully compliant with TIL and RESPA anyway - so really - at worst you need to get a lisc - at best you need to comply with TIL / RESPA which after a few deals a year you have to do anyway....

So - this doesn't seem to be the biz killer everyone is fearing.


Note Investor · Kalamazoo, Michigan


"get liscensed" to be what? A mortgage broker or securities dealer?


Note Investor · Kalamazoo, Michigan


According to the information I have, from the state and my CPA, if you intend to buy and sell more than 3 homes a year at a profit, you are a "Dealer". It seems crazy to pay capital gains on something you might never get but, that's the way it is for me right now.


Real Estate Investor · Rochester Hills, Michigan


A mortgage broker.

Well 25 is the rule my guys go by - if you buy and sell more then 25 a year then you don't pay capitol gains.....

I hope they are right :)


Real Estate Coach · Highland, Indiana


I posted this under the heading HR 1728 = Death to Investors . re posting here

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Below is the full text of a message being circulated by concerned real estate investors nationwide. It seems to originate from Vena Jones-Cox.

I have seen several highly respected speakers and trainers like Vena post concerns on the web regarding House Bill 1787, rallying everyone to stop this bill, reporting that if it passes the US Senate then it's Armageddon for creative real estate investors. The Full bill is here http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1728

Pay Attention to Section 101(3)(e).

If you're terrified of this, let me ask you a question… have you read the House Bill? Sure it is a bunch of legalize, mumbo jumbo but it is not too complicated.

I have had students encourage me to get the word out to all my members, to write their Senator, hoping I can help stop the bill. Like I can stop a Bill in the Senate.....

Well first, I agree it's a bad bill. I have no love for bureaucratic, governmental intrusions upon my freedom.

But this bill, if it passes through the Senate, does not put me out of business as a real estate entrepreneur.

All it does is require that I use certain paperwork and make certain disclosures around RESPA and Truth-in-Lending, which I suggest you do anyways. Then it requires me to make sure my buyer can actually afford the monthly payments. Well there is an interesting idea.

It may also require, and may depend on your state, that you to get licensed as a mortgage broker if you are in the business of making mortgages in your real estate investing.

My main investing strategy today is targeting free and clear properties, getting long term 0% financing from sellers… then selling on terms or just renting out as keepers. It is a great system, and we close 2 -3 per month, all with 0% financing.

For years I 've been offering interest only financing to my buyers with a 3 to 7 year balloon. Worst case is I will be collecting more income making it a policy to offer 30 year amortized loans with no balloon instead. Not too big of deal for me.

I checked with my attorney who closes my installment land contracts and we are on the same page.

Read the bill. Get legal advice if needed. Take action to stop the bill if you like. And stick with me as I'll be happy to answer your questions and create solutions as needed.

But don't you dare let all this hoopla stop you from buying a bunch of houses right now during one of the best times in history to amass a huge fortune.

The emails are quite long... so i posted them on my site for you to read.. www.TonySeverino.com/vena

Don't get worked up.. Sure, you can send mail, and allow your voice to be heard, but with socialists in charge,,, Well America is getting what is asked for.

Tony Severino


Real Estate Investor · Rochester Hills, Michigan


Thanks Tony - seems like our attorney's agree and that along is a miracle :)


BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


Lets continue the discussion here:
The DEATH of creative RE investing!!!!???

We don't need two discussions about the same topic making it difficult to follow both.

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