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If anyone can provide some info it would be kindly appreciated. My Uncle wants to quit claim one of his properties to me. The property has been paid off and he is basically gifting it to me. Would he be able to claim this against his lifetime gift tax credit? If so would there be any kind of taxes due?

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Real Estate Investor · Denver, Colorado


You definitely want to speak with a CPA. I do not think there will be any income taxes. There could be transfer taxes or some such associated with the RE transaction. Assuming the value is more than $12,000 (I think that's the current number), if he gives it to you all at once, it will reduce the amount he can hand off in is estate without taxes. If it looks like he will have a large estate, more than about a million dollars, this is something he and you will want to consider. If that's the case, he should give you the property in $12K chunks over a number of years.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Accountant · Aurora, Colorado


I had time to check this website today. The gift exclusion is $13k for 2009. Amounts above that he needs to file a gift tax return that just indicate that he is using up some of his lifetime exclusion. Tax is due only if the $1million lifetime maximum is exceeded. But if he has a larger estate he should be seeking advice on how best to minimize taxes and doing it in $13k chunks to each person is one way. For instance, he could sell it to you with a note receivable and gift up to $13k per year to you to lower the balance due. Using this approach, you could end up owing his estate upon his premature death. The estate tax law is likely to change this year, so we have to stay on our toes and watch developments.


Accountant · Aurora, Colorado


I just had some additional thoughts. If he sold it, he no doubt would owe some capital gains taxes. The ways to minimize that are an exchange or installment sale, which I mention in the first post. He might be able to exchange it for something that can generate more income for him.


Real Estate Investor · Audubon, Pennsylvania


I'm not a CPA, but here is a thought.

Get the property with many $13K notes that each are low (or no) interest and each balloons in a successive year. One year at a time, one by one, you can be gifted the $13k in funds by the same uncle to pay off each note one by one until there are no more notes to pay down. I recall reading something of a similar nature; if I get the actual reference, I can try to post. It may have been in "The Truth About Money" from Ric Edelman.

Be sure to have attorney and / or CPA guide you if you run with this idea.


Accountant · Aurora, Colorado


After circling back to this, there is other ideas that can be used. The uncle does not want to sell it as there would be capital gains. Harry, the donee, doesn't want to owe the uncle's estate later, if possible. A better way may be to contribute the asset to a new LLC, in which the uncle gives membership interests to the donee. That keeps a sale from taking place and then the portion of ownership that the donee has is clear and you can control how much value goes to the donee each year if annual gift tax forms are a concern.


Real Estate Investor · South Carolina


Harry,

As a general rule, you don't want to receive a gift of property if you can inherit it. The cost basis for the property your uncle gives you is his adjusted cost basis or the FMV whichever is less. If your uncle gifts you property he bought for $5K many years ago, and is worth $200K today, your cost basis will be your uncle's $5K. When you go to sell the property, you will have to pay the capital gains taxes due on the difference between $5K and your net sale price.

Gifting in chunks avoids federal estate tax impacts for your uncle but does not change the cost basis for the property gifted to you.

Why not have your uncle put the property into a revocable trust and name you as the beneficiary of the trust upon his death. Your uncle can let you use the property as your primary residence or give you the authority to manage the property as a rental. When your uncle dies, the property passes to you at a stepped up basis equal to the FMV at his date of death. Not only does the property avoid probate as a trust asset, but you have no capital gains taxes should you decide to sell at FMV after you inherit.


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