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· Orlando, Florida


If you bought an REO property (to be used as a rental) that needed substantial repairs and the market value is higher than what you paid for it, how do you determine the basis for federal taxes?

I have been told variously that you must use the sale price, or that you can use the sales price + the repair costs you put into it, or that you can use a comp which represents the real market value (after repairs). I'm wondering what other people here do and what the proper way to handle this is. Thanks.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


Market price and comps are irrelevant. Your basis is what you paid, plus some purchase closing costs plus what you put into the house before its ready to rent. Then the basis goes down over time as you take depreciation. Of course its more complex than this, so you and your CPA will need to sort out the details item by item.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Landlord · Oklahoma City, Oklahoma


My non-professional understanding of basis:

Your basis is the purchase price, including acquisition costs (except any that may be deductible as expenses in the current year) plus the amount you spend on the property to put it into rent ready condition. Also, capital expenditures made after the property is put into service increase your basis.

Any items that you can deduct in the current year as expenses do not increase your basis. Depreciation reduces your basis (even if you don't claim it on your taxes).


Real Estate Investor · Methuen, Massachusetts


You'll likely need to estimate the basis of the land and property separately as land is not a depreciable asset.


· Orlando, Florida


I did visit a CPA but I misplaced my notes from that meeting (that's why I was posting here). However I just now located the notes.

He said to use the purchase price + the repair costs as the basis. (I understand the part about the land--I did that last year on my return--thanks).


Real Estate Investor · Methuen, Massachusetts


As Jon indicated, you can include certain purchase costs into the basis. Here's a link to the IRS that discusses real estate basis

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p551/ar02.html#en_US_2010_publink1000256941


· Orlando, Florida


Originally posted by Justin Silverio
As Jon indicated, you can include certain purchase costs into the basis. Here's a link to the IRS that discusses real estate basis

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p551/ar02.html#en_US_2010_publink1000256941

Thanks Justin.

From their publication, it sounds like you can only add capital improvements to the basis, not things like replacing broken doorknobs, AC handlers, or redoing the floor, etc.

I haven't really had to do any capital improvements so far. Perhaps its best to just use the purchase price as the basis and claim the other items as repairs, (except in the case of items that must be depreciated).


Accountant · Lake Villa, Illinois


Bienes,

Your basis for a rehabbed property will include ALL improvements to the property until the day you start renting the property or list it for rent. You will then treat things like replacing broken doorknobs, AC handlers, or redoing the floor(upgrading is a capital improvement) as expenses.

-Steven the Tax Guy


· Orlando, Florida


Originally posted by Steven Hamilton II
Bienes,

Your basis for a rehabbed property will include ALL improvements to the property until the day you start renting the property or list it for rent. You will then treat things like replacing broken doorknobs, AC handlers, or redoing the floor(upgrading is a capital improvement) as expenses.

-Steven the Tax Guy

Thanks Steven. I think I already learned that last year, but completely forgot about it. I need to start keeping better notes about what I've learned.


Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


Originally posted by Bienes Raices
Perhaps its best to just use the purchase price as the basis and claim the other items as repairs, (except in the case of items that must be depreciated).

Is there a reason why you're not letting your accountant/CPA/tax-guy do your taxes for you? My guy is that, if you're unclear on some of these basic rules, you're probably not be overly aggressive in your tax savings -- a good tax guy *will* save you more than he costs you.

J Scott, Lish Properties, LLC
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Accountant · Lake Villa, Illinois


I second what J Scott said If your tax guy(yourself) doesn't know that, than you should fire your accountant and hire someone else.

*not an insult just it should help you financially considering there is probably a lot you don't know.

-Steven the Tax Guy


Real Estate Investor · Cincinnati, Ohio


The best procedure is to educate yourself as thoroughly as possible, then find a good tax pro based on referrals from investors or property managers. There are lots of CPAs and tax pros that really don't know alot about the nuances of real estate investing, so don't just place yourself in their hands without first educating yourself.

On depreciation, be sure to depreciate the personal property and land improvements you install over shorter time frames than the rest of the house, as you're allowed to do. This will enhance your after-tax ROI and keep more cash in your pocket. 5-year personal property includes window A/C, appliances, carpet/pad and any floating flooring (not glued), window treatments, awnings, etc. Land improvements (15 year) include driveways, sidewalks, fencing, and landscaping. Just make sure your contractor bills break these pieces out to substantiate the cost.

A CPA that writes in the blog section said recently that kitchen cabinets were depreciable as 5-yr property.

http://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/2024/blog_posts/20803-tax-saving-tips-for-rei

I hadn't heard that before and asked her to confirm, but no response from her yet. I wanted to know if she also considered vanities, sinks, faucets, and countertops to all be 5-yr property as well. Steven, what say you on that?

Telephone: 502-321-6328


· Orlando, Florida


Thanks David. I did go to a CPA several weeks ago for advice on various issues and he advised me to do this myself on Turbotax, because my situation isn't that complicated.


· Orlando, Florida


Originally posted by J Scott
Originally posted by Bienes Raices
Perhaps its best to just use the purchase price as the basis and claim the other items as repairs, (except in the case of items that must be depreciated).

Is there a reason why you're not letting your accountant/CPA/tax-guy do your taxes for you? My guy is that, if you're unclear on some of these basic rules, you're probably not be overly aggressive in your tax savings -- a good tax guy *will* save you more than he costs you.

He advised me to do it myself. He said that if I used him I would end up paying more to him then he could save me in write offs.


Accountant · Lake Villa, Illinois


Bienes,

Than you DEFINITELY need a new accountant. He should be advising you and working with you regularly to help plan and save.

-Steven the Tax Guy


· Orlando, Florida


Originally posted by Steven Hamilton II
Bienes,

Than you DEFINITELY need a new accountant. He should be advising you and working with you regularly to help plan and save.

-Steven the Tax Guy

Steven I know. I think he also may have given me bad info about s-corp taxation (which I posted on another thread here).


Accountant · Lake Villa, Illinois


Bienes,

It is also the fact that he should be coaching you on what to keep track of and organization of records. And most importantly he should be teaching you how to keep track of new items for depreciation.

-Steven the Tax Guy


· Orlando, Florida


I have an appointment with a different accountant later this week. Hopefully this time I'll get advice that's correct.


Real Estate Investor · South Carolina


Originally posted by Bienes Raices
Thanks David. I did go to a CPA several weeks ago for advice on various issues and he advised me to do this myself on Turbotax, because my situation isn't that complicated.

You may have gotten good advice. You don't tell us what you asked. I am guessing that you asked about tax return stuff, after the fact. After the fact is too late to be consulting a CPA about what you should do. All the CPA can do for you "after the fact" is help you with your (uncomplicated) tax return.

Since you weren't asking anything about tax planning for next year, I agree with the CPA that your questions would probably all be answered by TurboTax for the cost of the software and a lot cheaper than the hourly rate you would have paid him/her.




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