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I was wondering what was everyone thoughts about rental properties in dilapidated areas was. Is it worth having all the numbers work out, i.e. 2% rule and house bought @ 70% of value etc., vs. the appreciation of the home and possible resale of the home, i.e. no one will buy the home because of the area it's in.

I know that having cash flow is the most important thing with rentals but I'd like to hear everyones thoughts. Thanks


Banker · sydney, Nova Scotia


It depends on how much work you want with your rentals. You have to think to yourself... what kind of person would live there. In most cases its going to be someone who is unreliable with the rent and who is hard on your property. Also I wouldn't count on the property going up in value like one in a good area would. It may cash flow well, but it may also cause you a lot of trouble.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


Cash flow is KING with rentals. However, even though the numbers look good on a piece of paper, it is VERY difficult to make money in a warzone. If bullets fly, I won't buy!

Mike



I really think it depends on your definition of " bad" . There are people who think the neighborhood I lived in and live in now are " bad" . But thats not true, just a different type of people.

Why not go drive around in some of the areas that you have questions about both at night and day. If you feel incredibly uncomfortable, then get out and do not buy. But hey you might be surprised about how " bad" some areas aren't.

Now like Mike said if they are low income they are there for a reason and will probably bring some stress and some drama, but hey I mean thats just part of the business right?

Good luck!



I know its definitely apart of the game dealing with tenants, but I just located some properties, in bad areas, that if I can get the asking price down I can make cash flow.

BTW I'm using the info from MikeOH book and info learned here regarding rental properties so a big heads up to him and this board because I will never look at a rental property the way I did before, thank you all.


Real Estate Investor · Fort Wayne, IN


How about buying them very low, fixing them up a bit and then selling them to another landlord? If you are just starting out with rentals I would imagine there are better ways than to invest in the ghetto.



I agree with you to an extent but the potential numbers keep calling me, I will let everyone knows once the RE agent contacts me.


Real Estate Investor · Fort Wayne, IN


Cool. Good luck!!!!!


BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


If you're going to buy in a bad neighborhood, be prepared! You're going to deal with drug-dealers, drug users, plenty of evictions and a TON of headaches. My little experiment in a bad neighborhood has been kicking my ass for the past few months and I'm just hoping to bail out ASAP! (See my post on donating property to charity).

If you've got the constitution for it and don't mind the hassles (take a middle income property and increase the problems 100-fold), then I say go for it. If you want to hear some war stories, I've got plenty for you.

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Multi-family Investor · Bellefonte, Pennsylvania


My little experiment in a bad neighborhood has been kicking my ass for the past few months and I'm just hoping to bail out ASAP! (See my post on donating property to charity).

biggerpo that has got to be the funniest post I have ever read!!!


Property Manager · Portsmouth, New Hampshire


In a bad neighborhood, some extra attention is required.

1) You must do very comprehensive checks on tenants. I have not heard of people doing this, but I think it would be great to run checks on current tenants before making the deal. Don't take the seller's word for it!

2) You must have very specific rules for tenants. When I started out, my rules were not so comprehensive, and quickly became more so. Trash pickup is a particular concern.

3) You must make more frequent visits.

4) You must have clearly defined eviction policies and move on a dime to begin the eviction process.

I have an article on " The most dangerous tenant" on some article sites - check it out.


Property Manager · Portsmouth, New Hampshire


The best bad neighborhoods are in rapidly gentrifying cities. Look at NYC. Lots of neighborhoods that were formerly slums are now becoming richer. Why? People got priced out of " good" neighborhoods, so now they're moving into bad neighborhoods and fixing properties up. The value of everything goes up.

If you're not in a gentrifying city, the next best thing is properties close to what people want, e.g. shopping, highways. The best part of a bad city is almost always the part that borders a nicer city or town or suburb.

The price of everything concerned with your rental will change over a few years. Taxes and insurance and utilities will go up. Your rents have to go up in line with your costs. Otherwise, when you try to sell, you'll be out of luck.



Sorry to hear about your like with bad rental hopefully it will work out.

I'm still trying to decide about this potential property, I'm going to check it out as well as other properties that are in " unfavorable areas" over the weekend. Hopefully I can get a better reading of things.

Hey PropertyMaster could your PM the link for your articles. Thanks everyone


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


There seems to always be the potential of any place turning into a war zone for those brief 30 seconds. What city isn't like that? I have been into many bad area's as a cop and I can tell you that within bad area's there are good people. My current rehab, if you go down the street 500 hundred yard and cross the main street and stay on the same road, it just turned into an area that I wouldn't buy in, but at anytime that element can and has come up the road and across the street and shook my investment area up. Think of it as being in the jungle and your investment area is your village. At any point a lion can and will come out of the jungle and attack your village. You just have to be prepared for it and take precautions.


Property Manager · Portsmouth, New Hampshire


On a variety of web sites under my real name, Brendan O'Brien. The most popular article site is probably ezinearticles.com.

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BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


Originally posted by "PropertyMaster"
On a variety of web sites under my real name, Brendan O'Brien.

Brendan - Please keep to the topic at hand. This is not the place to promote your articles. Thank you.

Now . . . back to Rentals in Bad Areas!

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Still waiting for the RE agent to call me, so looks like I have to go on offense and try to track the listing agent down.

Not to change subjects but I think its great when you call an RE agent and you get no response what so ever, and I know RE agents get a million calls and have to weed through the junk but come on not even one call back or email!



No amount of cash flow is worth the headaches and stress that a war zone rental will bring. :beer: If the cashflow is good enough hire a PM.



This was the EXACT comment i was going to make! If you can find a property manager you trust, and who is already working in those areas, lower income might be a good way to go. Hand them off to an expert where management IS their business, and save yourself the headache. That way you can focus more on the deals and less on the day to day.



I know a handyman that might be up to the challenge of being a property manager since he was in charge of a section 8 housing complex, but I'll have to see the way things first go.


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