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· Methuen, Massachusetts


I've been reading on the 50% rule for calculating viability on a potential rental income property:
Gross monthly rent
-(minus)50% for operating expenses
______________________________(equals)
NOI(Net Operating Income)
-(minus)mortgage payment
______________________________(equals)
Cash flow (positive or negative)

My question is: Does the 50% rule ever become.. the 65% rule? Or is the 50% rule an actual rule and it's safe to assume that operating expenses will always stay at 50% or less?

Are there any landlords that can tell me all of their actual operating expenses (other than loan/mortgage payments)? I understand utilities, taxes, and landlord insurance.. the solid monthly fees that I know will come every month. The other fees, such as maintenance, legal fees, and eviction costs don't seem like solid monthly expenses... does the 50% rule account for these fees that will eventually pop up, but at an incalculable point in time?

Thanks,
Emily


Real Estate Investor


This post is a great way to start an argument on here.

The 50% rule just says that over an unllimited timeline, and any number of units, your expenses will equal 50%. It doesn't mean you shouldn't do your due diligence, or that every individual property will have 50% expenses every month/year.

Its best used as quick test to see if a property is worth looking closer at.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


A "rule"? In the sense someone enforces it? Absolutely not. Its just a "rule of thumb" that has been borne out by empirical data. There's nothing fundamental at all that says the expenses (really, operating expenses, capital, and vacancy) must be 50% of the gross scheduled rent. Further, there's nothing fundamental that says they should even be related.

If you've been reading you're seen the discussions. You're seen where people do offer numbers. Unfortunately one of the best large datasets is no longer available.

Some follks say 45% is a better number. 50% is just easier to calculate, especially if you do it in your head.

The 50% number is not an upper limit. No, you cannot assume expenses will be 50% or lower. Really, its a lower limit. If you do a good job and manage your properties well, you can get down to 50% (or a little better). You can easily get them to 65%, 80% or 150%. Since some screw-ups (e.g., fair housing violations) can result in the loss of your property, the upper limits is VERY high.

In any particular month or year the numbers for a particular property will almost certainly be much different than 50%. At the low end, you might have only taxes and insurance. If you have a tenant in place all year, no maintenance and no other expenses besides taxes and insurance, that's the best you can do. If you pay for management, take 10% off the top of the rent. More typically, you would have the management expenses, a turnover (which is another management fee, half to a full months rent in many areas), and some vacancy. So, a reasonable expectation might be taxes, insurance, a month's vacancy, half a month's rent to fill the vacancy, and some amount of maintenance.

Big ticket items, like furnances, roofs, and sewer lines, do need to be replaced periodically. Kitchens and baths need to be updated. If you own a handful of properties for a few years, you might avoid these. If you own 50 properties (which is the sort of number you need to make a living off rentals), and you are in this for the long haul, you're going to be replacing 2-3 furnaces ever year. And 2-3 roofs. And other big ticket items. Rather than being an occasional big expense, these things just become part of your routine annual costs.

Then there are the horror cases. A tenant decides to wreck the place. You have a run in with the city and get slapped with code violations and your tenants get evicted. A tenant stops paying and it takes six months to get them out. Again, a few properties for a few years and you may get lucky and never have these problems. Or, you may be unlucky and have one very quickly. Dozens of properties and in for the long haul and this sort of thing becomes routine.

Badly run buildings can have much higher numbers that 50%. I've looked at actual APODs (Annual Property Operating Data, a spreadsheet with income and expenses for a property) for real apartment buildings where the number was as high as 80%.

Its rare you'll see any meaningful data for a SFR. The data just doesn't get collected. The closest thing to good data would be the owners tax return.w

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Austin, Texas


Great post to diffuse the impending argument Marc!

You will find some on here that pay homage to the almighty "rule" about 50% as if there are not exceptions. Anyone that deviates from said "rule" will be scoffed at and made to feel small and inexperienced.

Others will claim their property operates differently using actual data (higher or lower) and will later be ridiculed because they, "Haven't held it long enough to know better."

The truth is that THIS IS NOT A RULE! It is a good SCREENING device that is worshiped all too much on BP. The intent is to keep newbies from thinking rents - PITI = "Cash flow."

The REAL truth is that gross schedule rents/2 - debt service does not equal cash flow either. There are plenty of instances where INDIVIDUAL properties operate differently. This "rule" also has capex baked into it, which will not represent true cash flow year to year either. Some years will have higher cash flows as a result of not outlaying cash for capex...others will have large negative ones. If you buy a property with a large amount of deferred maintenance these large negative cash flows will occur in the early years. If you buy a bright, shiny asset they will occur much later. The "rule" treats the "cash flow" from these properties the same when they are very different from a time value of money standpoint.

Use the rule for screening and err on the conservative side in all cases. Don't worship it as the end all be all though...it isn't. Do your due diligence on each individual asset and engage some more experienced investors if you need help with your assumptions. These folks are easy to find at your local REIA.

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· Methuen, Massachusetts


Thanks Marc, that's what I was looking to hear. Not trying to start an argument. Just trying to learn.
And thanks Jon, your answer had a lot of good information. Also, I meant "rule" as in it's solid, unchanging.


· Methuen, Massachusetts


Thanks Bryan. My bad if my question was in any way offensive to anyone..


Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


Emily- it is not a rule. You may feel free to ask any question on here you want. Someone will let you know if it is offensive. There are TONS of threads and posts about this 50% thinking. Decide for yourself whether it makes concrete sense after reading both sides. Welcome aboard. Rich


Accountant · Garden Grove, California


The number one rule of Real Estate Investing is that there are really no rules at all. There are LAWS that need to be adhered to, there are expenses that need to be calculated, there are variables that need to be considered, but as for actual rules, everyone has their own set of 'rules.'

For instance, some will say that a rule is that you need to do your own due diligence. As for me, I let someone else execute the due diligence. They are getting a commission, they need to do more than just write up an offer.

Some people will say that you need to serve a 3 day notice if the tenant is one day late. I say you need to find out what is going on. My highest priced rental did not pay rent one month, or I thought. I live in Colorado and the rental is in California. They dropped the check in the mail and then went on vacation. It just so happened that they transposed two numbers of my address in their hurry to get out of town. I had several people check to see if they had vacated, and all it turned out to be was human error.

You will find dozens, if not hundreds, of GUIDELINES here on BP to help with your Real Estate Investment. I can show you a house where it is 20% and I can show you a house where it is 80% for operating expenses. I own property in six states and each state has a different Property Tax rate, so how can 50% even come close to being a rule? My property management companies charge anywhere from $50.00 a door to 8% of the collected rent. So you see, the variables just go on and on and on.

But to use the guideline, if you buy a rental that pays $1,000.00 a month rent, you would like to keep the PI around $500 or less. That way, you should see some cash flow.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


I will give you an "anti-rule".

Cash flow = Rent - PITI

I see this one used on a daily basis. Every deal some wholesaler shows me uses this rule to claim "it cash flows". Its all over the MLS. Go to a REIA meeting and ask a dozen landlords what they mean by cash flow and this will be the most common definition.

If your use this anti-rule to decide what to buy you will fail.

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· Methuen, Massachusetts


Thanks for taking the time to reply Rich and Mike. I now understand that the 50% Rule is not a rule.


Real Estate Investor · Atlanta, Georgia


Originally posted by Emily Sulliban
Thanks Bryan. My bad if my question was in any way offensive to anyone..


You did nothing at all wrong...and your question was perfectly reasonable...

This is just a subject that has had some controversy here in the past, which is why you're seeing these carefully crafted responses.

But again, it's a good question and you certainly did nothing wrong by asking it... :)

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Real Estate Investor · Salisbury, North Carolina


The intent is to keep newbies from thinking rents - PITI = "Cash flow."

Oops!


Accountant · Garden Grove, California


I do want to add one thing. When we say the PI should be around 50% of the rent, figure the PI on the PURCHASE PRICE, not the loan.

For example, at 6%, the PI on $100,000 is $599.55. But the payment at 80% or $80,000, is $479.64. So you would actually want rent of $1,200 (2 x $599.55) for a property you purchase for $100,000.


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Real Estate Investor · sioux falls, South Dakota


JScott said:

This is just a subject that has had some controversy here in the past, which is why you're seeing these carefully crafted responses.

As he and others know, my responses are never carefully crafted, and my reply in this post was pretty cut and dried. It is not a rule, period. Rich


Landlord · Seattle, Washington


There are several things to keep in mind here that can effect this.

Some investors may choose to mange their own rental properties.

Some apartments will have some or all of the utilities individually metered.

Some property owners perform little maintenance year after year and create deferred maintenance.

Vacancy can be a huge factor. Some areas may have periods that rent concessions may be necessary to rent a unit.

Location, market supply and demographics can be factors.

There are a great many variables to consider. Which is one of the reasons you will here people say it is very important to know your market.

So, IMO the 50% rule is a tool, but it can never replace due diligence. I would also say that if you find your expenses are quite ab it under this there is a good chance that you are missing something like CAPEX expenses.


SFR Investor · Orange County, California


As most replied, the 50% "rule" is more of a quick screening tool to see if further investigation into a certain investment property is warranted.

My take on the 50% "rule" is that it's applicable to lower-income, non-appreciating properties for investors who rely, i.e., live off, the rental income. IOW, it doesn't consider the other benefits to holding a property such as tax benefits, appreciation potential, and equity building through the pay down of the mortgage.


SFR Investor · Orange County, California


Originally posted by Jon Holdman
I will give you an "anti-rule".

Cash flow = Rent - PITI

I see this one used on a daily basis. Every deal some wholesaler shows me uses this rule to claim "it cash flows".


Ok, simply in the interest of clearing some things up:

Speaking strictly from an accounting perspective, the "cash-flow" of a property on any given month is the rent check minus any checks YOU write. For example, imagine a house you manage yourself rents for $1,000/month with a mortgage (P&I only, non-escrowed) of $600. Not bad for a few months, right? The cash-flow is INDEED $400 a month, i.e., you received a rent check for $1,000 and only wrote one, to the lender, for $600. So for this month, cash-flow WAS Rent minus P&I.

However, what happens when the tax bill installment of $1,200 comes in? Wow, super cash-flow negative that month ($1,000 - $600 - $1,200 = - $800)!!! And a few months later, dang, a water pipe bursts and there is no such thing as a cheap plumber. Next year, a two-month vacancy. (This is why reserves are SOOOO important!)

So, what "newbies" should understand is this 50% "rule" amortizes those BIG expenses over the long-term to come up with an "average" operating cost for the property in order to compute an average monthly cash-flow. IOW, a property that "cash-flows" most of the year actually may not be profitable to own!




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