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Real Estate Consultant · san francisco, California


Is anyone familiar with an insurance product that covers damages created by a tenant?

For example, if I need to evict my tenant and he trashes the house situation - i'm looking for such coverage.

Anyone?


· OR


No such thing. Get a deposit; that's your insurance.

Then screen carefully so you don't rent to destructive deadbeats.

You can get vandalism coverage, but my experience is that the insurance company always has a good reason that they don't have to pay vandalism claims. They do not consider deliberate tenant damage to be vandalism.


Real Estate Consultant · san francisco, California


Thanks.
Any suggestions where I can get/find vandalism coverage? I'd like to further explore it.


Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


Hmmm, must not have liked P NW's truthful response. Check with Smith & Wesson Inc. another is Remington and check for Glauk, it's a german company, but they all provide protection plans or systems that might help you, if wisely employed.

Otherwise, it's a risk that is accepted in the business.


· Harlingen, Texas


You can do what my Dad dose and only rent to cops and teachers. Cops will get fired in most cities for trashing a house, and most teachers are trustworthy is his thinking. And no I am not kidding in one of our houses for the last 10 some years just cops and teachers.


Real Estate Investor · Austin, Texas


@Katherine...Seems like a Fair Housing suit waiting to happen to me!

I have never heard of vandalism insurance. If you find some please let us know about it.

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Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


Check your landlord policies. Mine specifically include vandalism coverage. I've also had empty house policies that have a vandalism rider, though usually with a higher deducitble than for other damage. I'm aware of one incident where a person collected on such a policy when kids set a fire next to a garage and damaged the siding.

I also think the kind of policy Dan is asking about exists, though perhaps not for those of use with a few SFRs. When calling around for an apartment for my daughter a while back, one of the agents said they had a $99 non-refundable "deposit" that was actually some sort of insurance premium. If I'd been thinking, I'd have inquired more closely. Then again, it may have been a self-insured deal the owners or management company were doing.

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· Harlingen, Texas


@ Brian we are lucky and have not had to list the house in many many many many years. The last 3 tenants were officers and when they decided to move out before we even knew they wanted to move out one of there buddies would call and ask about renting it before it was even listed. We just got lucky with that. The tenant before the officers was a teacher, she was wonderful. This is where his thinking comes from. We would never not show the house or rent it just because of a profession. Unless of course the profession was illegal.


Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


In all seriousness, Jon is correct, vandelism is covered regardless of who trashes your property, beyound that, there is not a standard product available to my knowledge.

Katie, welcome to BP, better late than never. You are absolutely right, the key to not having a unit trashed is underwriting your tenants, the selection process.

Sometimes there is a lack of understanding the scope of our regulatory and legal environment. You break no laws renting only to teachers or cops or any other groups. What you can not do is discriminate against a protected class based on the the circumstances or nature of that class.

The net broadens if you accept government funding, section 8 or tax credits, as you'll need to make units available to all who qualify on the same basis. If you are not tied up with government financing in any way, you can rent only to little green people no taller than four feet, it's your property. But care must be taken making such limitations so that you do not violate your policy, then you open yourself to issues. This is not to say that you lose control of qualifying requirements, so long as they don't violate applicable requirements.


Real Estate Investor · Austin, Texas


Originally posted by Financexaminer
In all seriousness, Jon is correct, vandelism is covered regardless of who trashes your property, beyound that, there is not a standard product available to my knowledge.

I was speaking about "vandalism" (not sure if that is the right term from an insurance perspective) from the TENANTS that occupy the property. Admittedly I haven't read this part of my policy and I am not aware of a separate policy for this. As has been stated it seems to be covered in SOME policies and can be purchased as a rider in SOME policies. I certainly wouldn't rely on it being covered in ALL policies and I would look at what the rules are for coverage.

Originally posted by Financexaminer
Sometimes there is a lack of understanding the scope of our regulatory and legal environment. You break no laws renting only to teachers or cops or any other groups. What you can not do is discriminate against a protected class based on the the circumstances or nature of that class.

Admittedly, I am not a Fair Housing expert. However, there is often a lack of understanding of what other posters write because people have personal agendas on forums. Check the laws in your area. This link may prove helpful in deciding whether or not it is okay to discriminate on the basis of occupation:

Discriminate?

//Quote
In SOME (emphasis mine) places, a landlord may even refuse to rent to certain people because of their occupation.
//End Quote

Even if you have standard policies in place it doesn't stop some Fair Housing nutcase from saying you are really discriminating on some other basis. Be careful…

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Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


That's right Bryan, when you advertis a property and let it be known that you only rent to teachers for example, you can expect at some point to be blamed or accused of something improper.

The general public has a lack of understanding of our regulatory and legal environment with regard to housing, however, some are up on every letter of the law....lots of players out there too.


Residential Real Estate Agent · Camden, New Jersey


generally a basic insurance policy(HO1, DP1) covers wind damage,fire damage, and vandalism.

if tenants cause fire, the same if they vandalize? i would say yes.


· OR


Under current federal law, it isn't illegal to only rent to teachers or police. However, some states and some towns have laws that you can not discriminate based on source of income.

The way around would be to only advertise on the police or school lunch room bulletin board.


Real Estate Investor · Springfield, Missouri


P NW, Govt financing and Sec 8 include such provisions, but spinning that to a certain target market with a justification is not really excluding a particular source of income, IMO. Such regs are usually tageted to those who receive food stamps, disability payments or other social income sources since doing so would basically exclude those receiving entitlements. If you were to say I only rent to police officers or law enforcement officers (LEOs) and thier families, is not excluding any other source of income. Let's say someone who works for a utility company complains, my answer would be that if there is a family who includes an LEO and has a member who works at the utility company is not a problem, I would accept the income toward rent qualifications and rent to them subject to other reasonable qualifications, like credit.

There are exclusions or specific tenant requirements that have been excluded from some govt. financing as well, such as senior living condos, fraternal organizations, religious organizations and civic organizations, where properties were only available to certain groups. The Lions Club makes housing available for blind tenants, Habitat for Humanity provides housing only for certain low income (Christian) tenants to advance to homeownership, and in some over crowded college towns, a fraternity may own housing and rent only to member students. Teachers or Educators and LEOs only? No problem. These two categories could easily be spun into providing a public service for lower income public servants, IMO.




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