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Homeowner · Iowa City, Iowa


So my dear old Dad just passed away and left me some money. rip.. My wife was taking care of him and now needs a job. I'm considering buying a rental property to generate income and keep my wife employed managing the property since she doesn't have allot of formal education. My son works for a G.C. who is very reasonable and takes care of other properties. Either that or send her to school with the money. We are in our mid 40's

Iowa City is a college town and I found these for sale by owner close to campus.
http://www.buxhouses.com/
They are all priced well over assessed value but have been recently updated. I could afford a 300K down payment.. But Iv got cold feet..Can anyone recommend a book which would give us a better understanding of being a landlord?
Would buying rentals in Iowa City a good investment these days for someone who has never done it?

Thanks before hand.


· Orlando, Florida


Are those single family houses? The numbers don't look that great (considering how much money you would be putting into them). The person who wrote the ad may be exaggerating (or not know) how much rent they will really bring in. Also they may have been updated, but will the college students be putting a lot of wear and tear on these units?

It seems like in Iowa you could find properties a lot cheaper than that. If you do a search for the 50% rule and the 2% rule it will give you a starting point in determining the rent/purchase price ratio and whether a deal is any good.


Real Estate Investor · Wallingford, Connecticut


Hello Mike,
First, do NOT ever reveal the amount of money you have to invest.
Scam artists are looking for that info.

I suggest that you spend some time in the following forum:
http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/52-rental-property-questions-landlording-issues

Here is the link to the 50%, 2% rule to use as a guide:
http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/52/topics/18371-help-me-understand-this-deal-and-5-2-rule

If you have any more questions, feel free to ask them.

Raymond


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


$450,000 for $4,200 a month in rent is not a good deal. Without knowing anything about your market I strongly suspect you can do better.

Don't be fooled that student housing is somehow better than other rentals. If anything, its worse. You'll turn over every unit every year. You're likely to have two months vacancy in the summer. A good portion of them will be complete pigs since this is the first time they've lived on their own and haven't caught on to good housekeeping. A few will be OK, a few will be total party animals.

Spend the next few months reading and learning this business. Learn about true expenses and the 50% rule. Now, if you're going to put your wife to work managing these, she will earn a chuck of that 50%. Consider sending her to real estate agent school, which is quick and easy (a few months, just a few hours a week.) This will get her up to speed on laws and local customer. She can sign up with a local brokerage and have access to the MLS, which is a big leg up.

First and foremost, learn about this business. Learn about the math and the laws. Then jump in. Don't be too hasty to buy something. Finding good deals is hard. Finding junk ones is easy.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


· Orlando, Florida


Very good advice above...

I would suggest also, that if you decide to do rentals, buy one single family house to start out with, rather than a fourplex or something else that may be expensive or difficult to unload. Even after spending a long time researching and reading beforehand, it can still be a shock when you start showing the rental and discover what type of people and mentality you're dealing with. So it's best to have a relatively easy exit strategy in case you (or your wife) decide being a landlord isn't your cup of tea.


Residential Landlord · Indianapolis, Indiana


Student rentals are different than a normal residential rental. You will probably be getting parents to co-sign for all the residents. You will need to learn how the rental market works there. At Indiana University, November is the start of the leasing season and most units have signed leases by January or February for the following August. The leases are usually just under 1 year, running from mid-August through July, this gives the management some time to repair the units between tenants. Here, the units are unfurnished and tenant usually pay all utilities (landlord pays water on multifamily). You will have to check out what the market is like in your area because all of the things I just mentioned vary greatly. The pros for student rentals are that you usually have very creditworthy cosigners, you can get large security deposits, vacancy tends to be lower, and the rent usually comes on time. The cons: students can be very hard on the property, if you don't get it leased by August, you will probably have a full year of vacancy.

I would recommend you read the property management for dummies book to get a basic idea of what is involved in managing your properties. If you decide to move forward, I believe it is essential you have the NOLO legal guide and tax deduction guide for landlords, they will prove extremely useful. And of course, this site is one of the best resources for most of your questions.


Homeowner · Iowa City, Iowa


Thanks people.. The 2% rule is easy to figure. This house according to the rule..

http://www.buxhouses.com/946iowa.htm

Would have to priced at 210k to be profitable even though the assessed price is 100K higher at 310k and the asking price more than double at 450K. :lol:

My gut feeling before I knew about the rules at that time was.." why is this guy asking so much" so I asked him.. His response was..
"I think that you will find that income properties typically are evaluated by using an income approach. That is basically how the price was established. Regards, Jim"

So I asked a good longtime family friend who owns rentals if she could recommend a realtor. She also said "rentals aren't what they used to be." The realtor sent me this list of available rental properties.

http://icaarmls.fnismls.com/publink/default.aspx?GUID=6a4efef0-5850-4e01-bb36-3f9f72dd09d3&Report=Yes

Yet if you use the 2% rule on those.. All of them in Jon's words are.." not a good deal" And I know better than to waste my time and offer 1/2 of the asking price.. I guess they could only say no though..

So I guess I answered my own question..
NO..Buying rentals in Iowa City is NOT a good investment these days! And I will trust my financial adviser with his mutual fund and bond picks. I'm only guessing.. But it looks like property values are still inflated, here in Iowa City at least..And need to burst sooner or later.


· Orlando, Florida


Originally posted by Mike Colder
But it looks like property values are still inflated, here in Iowa City at least..And need to burst sooner or later.

The first wave of foreclosures in much of the country came in 2007, so if it hasn't deflated in Iowa City by now, maybe it isn't going to? Not every part of the country had a bubble in prices like Florida and the western states did.

If you're interested in RE, it's worth driving around your area and looking at some foreclosures and seeing what the list and sold prices are.

The 2% rule is tough--I'm more partial to the 1.5% rule.


Homeowner · Iowa City, Iowa


Originally posted by Bienes Raices

The 2% rule is tough--I'm more partial to the 1.5% rule.

We never had a bubble here, but prices flattened out while assessed values continued to climb since the state's just about broke.

That 1.5% combined with paying in cash, maybe. Lets see..

My home, assessed at 209k, is a prime candidate for rental since its close to the university hospital. The house across the street
http://beacon.schneidercorp.com/Application.aspx?AppID=86&LayerID=841&PageTypeID=1&PageID=1483&KeyValue=1017411013
rents for $1900 and its assessed at $250K. At 1.5%.. My home would be worth 127K? :lol: After I paid 150k 11 years ago? I think not.

Sorry to sound so negative but this renting property deal sounds like your just breaking even around here if you have a good renter.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


There are places where you can just find something on the MLS and have a good rental. Denver's certainly one of them. You want a good deal, you have to work for it. You kick over a lot of stones and kiss a lot of frogs. This business is not terrible complex, but it is hard. Finding a good deal is hard, much harder than just looking on the MLS.

Forget tax assessments as any sort of indicator of values. Maybe they are, probably they're not.

Many, many areas are over priced as far as rentals. You have to find an area that's not. The houses in my neighborhood are very similar to the houses in one of my rental areas. All built in the late 40's with similar construction and floor plans. And they rent for about the same. But they're much cheaper in the rental area. Research values in your area and you may find an area that works. I did 30 seconds searching and found a house listed at $99,000 that rentometer says will rent for $1150. Still not a great deal in my book, but closer than these other alternatives. What about Des Moines, Cedar Rapids, Waterloo, or Davenport? Are there areas there that have better rent/price ratios?

Can you find deals that need work? REO's or short sales or other distressed sellers? These turnkey, rent-ready deals may be convenient, but they're rarely a good deal. Some are terrible deals, shoddily fixed up, over priced, over hyped and sold to out of state investors that look at the deals through their local glasses. You're right there. Learn values, research areas and find something that works.

Don't get too hung up on the 2% rule. It works well if rents are around $500. If rents are $1000, you don't have to have such a good ratio to still rake off a profit each month. The 50% rule, OTOH, seems pretty solid. That simply states that expenses, vacancy and capital will eat 50% of the gross scheduled rents. Of course any particular property in any particular year may vary quite a bit, especially on the bad side. And if you're doing the property management yourself, you can earn the PM's chunk, with is 10-15% out of that 50%. In other words, if you manage yourself and do a good job and don't count your own time, then you should be able to hold actual expenses, capital (e.g., roofs or furnaces), and vacancy to 35-40%. If you goal is to "buy a job" for your wife, that may make sense.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Des Moines, Iowa


If Iowa City is anything like Ames, then finding rentals that are good deals are nearly impossible. Enrollment at the colleges has gone up so fast that anything with 4 walls and a roof is getting bought up at razor thin profitability.


Real Estate Investor · Baltimore, Maryland


I don't follow your reasoning - you think that one rental property is going to keep your wife so busy, it will be an equivalent of her working full-time?


· Orlando, Florida


Originally posted by George P.
I don't follow your reasoning - you think that one rental property is going to keep your wife so busy, it will be an equivalent of her working full-time?

I don't want to put words in the OP's mouth, but I read it as she had the time and inclination to do it, not that it would provide full time employment for her.


Commercial Real Estate Broker · Bluffton, South Carolina


If you are going to invest in residential rental markets you must either become an effective property manager or hire one. I suggest hiring one before you look for a property...you must interview at least 3 of his current owners he handles properties for and 2 that he is no longer managing for. Don't just decide on the rate they charge. Look at their ads etc. Call on one to see what kind of response you get over the phone...
Take the landlord to the property you are going to buy and have them critique it (what needs to be done to get it rented and for how much). Don't listen too or get caught up with a company that says they will handle your investment turnkey when it comes to SF rentals...I have a number of clients that have fallen prey to these slick sales people and they have lost 10's of thousands. [SOLICITATION REMOVED]
Good luck! Brad


Real Estate Investor · Cedar Rapids, Iowa


Mike: The rental market in general is wild in Iowa City. Big demand, huge rents and huge prices as a result. Tough to find a deal around there, like any college town, I've looked at a lot of deals and you have to have a sharp pencil.

Your doing the right thing by researching, talking to people and looking at some deals though.

Depending on your goals, maybe you should look at some Single Family homes (REO's), be patient to get a good deal, fix it up, start with 1 house, see how that goes and then continue to expand up to your desired goal or tolerance. I think you'll do a few things by this: 1)Lock in unbelievable rates right now bc of your down payment/cash on hand (which you won't need it all) 2) May catch some appreciation more-so in homes rather than Multi's 3) Potential higher quality/long term tenants 4) Easier exit strategy if you find Landlording is not for you.

Just my 2 cents. Go Hawkeyes


Homeowner · Iowa City, Iowa


Originally posted by George P.
I don't follow your reasoning - you think that one rental property is going to keep your wife so busy, it will be an equivalent of her working full-time?

Bienes right..Its a start and she's never worked full time. Or should I say, she's never been employed full time. Even though my dads gone, she's still busy with his and our families needs. Home cooking.. Taxi service for my daughter etc etc.. My dad had a cattle operation going before he passed and there's allot of loose ends still. Im busy with a bathroom remodel and other repairs. But things should slow down here. And then she can shift gears.

Originally posted by Bradley Glaves
I suggest hiring a property manager before you look for a property... Brad

Honestly.. I don't trust anyone.. Iv been screwed over by friends.. Let alone a property manager. I have to be hands on.

Originally posted by Wes S.
Maybe you should look at some Single Family homes (REO's), be patient to get a good deal, fix it up, start with 1 house, see how that goes and then continue to expand up to your desired goal or tolerance.

Just my 2 cents. Go Hawkeyes

Yea. I think that might be the best goal if I do. In fact Im working on a pre-nod at the moment but the owner is in denial I think.

I mentioned my son works for a GC named Tim. I like Tim since he gave my son a job he can actually learn and grow from. The CG's brother purchased a Single Family home in muscatine iowa which is a hour away for 13K, fixed it up, and doubled his money. Tim wants to do the same and wants me to be the bank. If I finance the project, what's that worth? I thought 50% 50%. I finance the project. Tim and my son will do all the work and then we split the profit when he's done. Am I way out of bounds with the 50/50?


Real Estate Investor · Cedar Rapids, Iowa


Its up to your trust level and risk tolerance but biggest things I can see is its your money/ass on the line. Some stuff they will do won't be worth 50% of the deal and other people do not value your money...they will spend your money like water on a materials/tools they wouldn't spend if they were financing it, ect

I would recommend being outside of the deal so to speak, but with a close eye on it, similar to a banks perspective:
(Look into 'Hard Money Lending')

Your son & GC could run their own flip or rental business. Flips - They invest certain %$ down so they have skin in the game or what you're comfy with and then pay you a good interest rate of 6-20% for a certain lenght of time 1-6 Months. You have to be paid off when deal is complete or their able to refinance with bank (which is tuff so that is why your success is determined on the 'Buy' end of the deal) If its a successful flip, they make money and so do you. If it fails, they lost money, you lost money but you'll atleast have the actual asset to take over and hopefully recover losses.

If their rental properties, you carry the note.

All in all, either route, you want to be involved to make sure YOUR money is invested into something that is worth it, but not too involved that you get the shaft.

PS: I'm in a smaller town and have been buying pretty cheap as well.




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