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SFR Investor · Oxford, Michigan


Hi, everyone. Not new to investing, but new to this site. We'll see if I can keep up with posts and read all the articles. I'm a member of the Swamp Stompers 4x4 club here in southeast Michigan and also a homebrew (beer) club, and hardly have time to keep up with all the posting on these forums. But like those other two interests, I'm really passionate about real estate. I started about five years ago, and have almost 30 single-family rentals in Flint. I've done a few rehabs, but am always concerned whether they will sell. Next thing I want to get into is a 20-unit apartment, and then maybe a 100. Going through David Lindahl's latest apartment riches course right now.

Aaron Dionne


Real Estate Investor · Baltimore, Maryland


Welcome aboard... there is a ton of information here in BP... jump in, participate and profit.


Rehabber · Grand Blanc, Michigan


Hey, I know you! :D

Welcome, Aaron!


Note Investor · Kalamazoo, Michigan


It's always good to have another Michigander on board! Welcome to BP and I hope you find what you are looking for.


Real Estate Investor · Dallas, Texas


Aaron, I hear Flint is really depressed. What's your experience? How much have you paid for your homes and what do they rent for? Are you looking for your 20 unit locally? What kind of numbers do you expect on that?

Welcome to BP!

Jon K., VentureNet
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SFR Investor · Oxford, Michigan


Jon,

Yes, it's as depressed as anyone says. Lots of break-ins at vacant properties - scrap thieves looking for copper plumbing and wiring mostly. Vacancy is high, too. But the homes are unbelievably cheap. I picked up about 5 of them earlier this year, and after repairs, had about $5000 into them. Those rent for about $450.00 per month. So cash flow is great if they stay occupied. I just decreased the rents $25 below market to get my current vacants rented faster and keep them rented longer. We'll see how it goes.

Don't know what to expect from the 20-unit. I've heard that 10% cap rate is good for apartments, but in an area like Flint, the a good investment would probably have a cap rate much higher. I'm trying to get time to talk to people knowledgable about apartments to see.

Thanks for the ?'s

Aaron


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


Hello Everyone,
Just wanted to let you know that I have properties for sale in Detroit, MI.

They are turnkey properties in best locations with all repairs done for you and repairs and closing costs are include in prices. The properties are managed by the team that is selling the properties and they include a rental guarantee for minimum of 850 - 1200 depenidng on their section 8 approvals.

They are generally 3/2 with garage and basements and sell for 55-65k and are values at 89,000-130,000 with desk appraisals and comps available.

You can email me at: jhellwig2736@gmai.com

Let me know if you additional info. thanks! Joanne


Real Estate Investor · Dallas, Texas


Wow! Just wow! Recouping your entire investment in 12 months. Sounds like a Lonnie deal with mobile homes. Have you calculated the cap rate on your portfolio? I really would keep doing what you are doing and figure out how to scale it way beyond yourself. 200 doors with an investment of $1mm could give you scheduled gross income of $1mm a year and a net of $500K with your employee(s) doing management. I think that could beat 98% of the apartment complexes out there.

Jon K., VentureNet
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Telephone: 214-929-6545
Website: http://www.caddostar.com
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Rehabber · Grand Blanc, Michigan


Aaron is 100% right. I just picked up a 2/1/basement that needed nothing for $4,000 in Flint. I have it rented for $400 a month. It's on the south side of town where rents are typically a little higher. Like Aaron, I keep my rents low to keep the occupancy rate higher.

In Flint I won't touch an apartment complex with less than a 18% cap rate. On other commercial real estate the area has to prime and no less than a 12% cap rate.


Real Estate Investor · Dallas, Texas


Mark and Aaron,

What do you see happening with these rentals down the line? The market seems to be saying demand will just keep dropping, but is that possible? Won't companies look at the very low cost of living and available workforce in the area and bring in new jobs?

Jon K., VentureNet
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Telephone: 214-929-6545
Website: http://www.caddostar.com
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SFR Investor · Oxford, Michigan


Wish we knew. Landlords are just trying to hold on right now. People have been saying "Things have to get better" since GM started pulling out 20-30 years ago. And the people have been leaving in droves.

The city is tearing down a lot of houses, so that should help demand. Some people in power want to remove every house from various blocks, and just let them go back to grass and trees. I see urban farms as a possible use.

A few businesses (mostly restaurants) have joined the revitalization downtown this year. University of Michigan probably helps the downtown area in that regard.

Jon, I agree that we need businesses to come. As I have read, that's what starts the good part of a real estate market cycle - where the economic curve starts to swing up. I wonder if there is a book for politicians to read about attracting businesses to a state/city. Our governor seems to be trying for Michigan, but lots of people still criticize her.




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