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Real Estate Investor


Hello to all BP members.

I've just recently found BP and have to say that after exploring the website, it's a mine of information !

What's also impressed me tremendously is the feeling that the forum is populated by real people, as most people have used their own photo's as the avatars. Gives a real feeling of community and like minded people.

I'm in the process of buying a house in Detroit, even though I'm from out of state (very out of state).

My aim is to build a small portfolio of good quality properties peopled with long term tenants.

But it all depends on what happens on this first property !

Unfortunately I don't have any real experience in investment property, so it promises to be a real learning experience, but hopefully not a painful one !

Anyway hello to one and all !

Regards
Hal


Real Estate Investor · Kalamazoo, Michigan


Welcome, Hal!

Good luck with your first rental property. There are challenges operating from a distance, but it can be done.


Real Estate Investor · Indiana, Indiana


Hal,
Welcome to Bigger Pockets. I'm not going to lie to you and am going to go right into the meat of it. "Newbie" "Investing in Detroit" and "Out of State" are a less than ideal combination of three major hurdles. The only thing you could do to make it worse is do what I did and buy too many...lol.

Can I ask you what it is about Detroit that attracts you as an investor? Perhaps we can help you find it closer to you.

Tim


Real Estate Investor · Cottonwood Heights, Utah


I have to agree with what Tim said, Hal. Everything you said is setting you up for a bad experience.


Rehabber · Denver, Colorado


Hal,
Welcome to BP, Tim is right on this one in that this being your first investment property you would be better suited to try and find something that is alot closer to you. Alot of things can go wrong and it would be easier to deal with being near your property than trying to figure it out from states away.

Your statement of this being a learning experience is accurate but it can easily turn into the "painful" type that you're trying to avoid. Good Luck


Real Estate Investor · Dearborn, Michigan


Hi Hal - welcome to BP! We are in the Detroit area but invest in the suburbs. If you are committed to the city, though, and would like someone who is knowledgeable to work with, shoot me a note and I can suggest a few people for you to talk with. Good luck!



Welcome to BP Hal, thanks for sharing your story! You'll find it very community oriented here; it's a great site to network with others in all different fields and levels in real estate. Best of luck to you on your journey! :D


Real Estate Investor · SE Michigan, Michigan


Hello and Welcome to BP
As a fellow Michigan investor I look forward to helping any way I can. I invest in the suburbs but know a few investors in Detroit that are doing well. Good Luck



I come from Detroit. You not say Detroit weak!

Seriously though. There are parts of the metro area that are just fine.

If you need to know what areas to stay out of, there are several people on BP who do RE in Detroit.

Where do you live?

TC


Real Estate Investor


Thanks guys for the welcome, its very much appreciated !

Tim, Lee, CJ, you guys are probably correct, that it's a tough one starting off on a remote deal.

It just seemed that Detroit offered good value and the possibility of decent returns.

Kevin & William, thanks for the offer of local advice / contacts, I will probably take you up on it.


Real Estate Investor · Charlotte, North Carolina


hey welcome! as tom said, there are some making big bucks in the detroit market right now...find them on here if you're serious, and learn...i lived in detroit for one winter....that was enough snow for me for the rest of my life! lol


Residential Landlord · White Lake, Michigan


Hi Hal!
Congrats and thank you for investing in our beautiful state of Michigan! There are many great returns to be made here, and we know a lot of people that are doing very well in Detroit and the surrounding suburbs! We are doing the suburbs and Pontiac (very similar to Detroit), and are making great returns! Please don't hesistate to send a message if you have any question!! Best of luck to you!!
Kelly :)


Real Estate Investor


Tom & Bryan, thats really good to hear that some people are are doing OK in that Market. Perhaps I should find out how, before I shoot myself in the foot !

As for where I come from, lol, let's just say I come from a Galaxy far far away..........


Wholesaler · Memphis, Tennessee


Hal, the people who are doing well in Detroit are not new investors, they are seasoned local investors. Detroit is a less then desirable place to invest. Dont be fooled by the smokescreen. If your willing to invest you need to do your homework on several cities. Of course everyone will say their city is the best. If you feel Detroit is the place you want to invest the hit it full speed as you will need tons in momentum to make it there. Good luck

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Curt, thanks for your advice, terrifying as it is !

Could you please elaborate a little on what you mean by smokescreen and only the well established have any means of making money in Detroit ?

Thanks Hal


Real Estate Investor · Indiana, Indiana


Originally posted by Hal Alam
It just seemed that Detroit offered good value and the possibility of decent returns

It offers generally low prices and I am sure there are some good deals to be had in there. However, these features are not unique to Detroit. Is there another state closer to you? I only chose Indiana because it was close to me at the time but honestly, you could find near Detroit pricing in many states.


Real Estate Investor · Wheat Ridge, Colorado


Whenever you invest in an area away from yours, you MUST, MUST, MUST hop on a plane or jump in the car and go have a look and meet people. You're placing a bunch of trust in people in the place you're investing, so you MUST get to know them personally.

You must be very careful not to evaluate property in a different location with your local eyes. If you live in the bay area, and look at a house for $2000 in Detriot, you may think "wow, its a steal". And someone might be able to send you great pictures. But if you go there in person you may discover every house on the block is empty or inhabited by squaters. Taxes are high, and there are too many houses for the current population. Many houses have back taxes that will have to be paid by the new owner. Folks here sometimes label houses NFF - not for free.

When you're at a distance, every little thing becomes a big expense. Once of my tenants called about a month ago and said there was water dripping under the sink. I went over and the flex hose to the sprayer was loose. It was loose because the top of the faucet had broken. I told them, you broke it, you'll have to pay for a new one. OK, they said, and I took it to Home Depot. I noticed the new one (identical faucet) was much more heavily built than the old one. And the box said "limited lifetime warranty". Woo Hoo, HD exchanged it for free. So, it was two hours of my time but nothing out of pocket for me or the tenant. Tenant's happy, I'm happy.

Now, not everyone's willing to do that sort of thing. Some will argue you should use the time to do more deals. Probably the best use I'd have made of that time was reading BiggerPockets. More likely I'd have sat on the couch and watched TV. But by having my rentals nearby I at least have the option of doing the work myself. Had I paid someone, it would have been, what, $100 for a plumber who would have bought a new faucet and charged me for it, too?

I'd strongly encourage you to at least have an in-person look at where you're going to invest. If possible, find something closer. Even if its not the bargain basement prices that appear to be in Detroit. Personally, I've thought long and hard and even being in Denver, I can't convince myself to buy something in KC.

Small_flying-phoenixJon Holdman, Flying Phoenix LLC


Real Estate Investor · Indiana, Indiana


Also Hal, take note that with the exception of Tom - everyone recommending Detroit or a surrounding area lives there and Tom formerly lived there. Spending time living in an area gives you insight of how to invest in that area and it does make a difference. That's why I never said in this thread that Detroit is bad. It's a hurdle. There may just be an easier way closer to you.


Real Estate Investor · Indiana, Indiana


About once a week Jon makes an "epic" post. This is one of them.


Real Estate Investor · Dearborn, Michigan


The Detroit area is experiencing a lot of transition right now.

There are many areas which have always been viewed as "destination" areas, and are now financially within reach for people who wouldn't have been able to reach them in the past.

Other areas which are not viewed as destination areas are the ones who are experiencing some of the deeper price plunges. I think the key is to know which areas are magnetizing people - know where they are running to and where they are running from, and why.

In the Detroit area, this can vary a lot from city to city, and within the city itself, it varies block-to-block. If you buy in an area which isn't a destination area, you may struggle to attract a good tenant.

A lot of landlords find success by purchasing a rental property in a GOOD school district, near perhaps a not-so-good school district. People are often very motivated to get their kids into better schools and keep them there - and stay in your house, limiting your biggest expense, which is of course vacancy. Many such contrasts exist in our area.

Good opportunities exist here but don't fall into the trap of buying the cheapest properties - they are cheap for a reason.

My $.02. . . .




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