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Dave K.

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As some of you know I am starting a small website venture. I made mention of it a few months ago.

We are just getting to the point where we finally hosted the site online...but I won't give the address out....because its still under construction...lol. First impression are important.

Anyhow....We just noticed that google adsense, which is the revenue producing ads on the site, seems to direct the user away from the site once they click.

Anyone know if you can allow the advertisement to pop up in another window. We don't want to have someone click and then leave our site. It might not be an option....maybe its just the price we pay for making money from Google.

Just wondering if its possible...I havent found a site that does it.

Also anyone else know of good revenue streams for websites? Our site is strictly a traffic play...we don't sell anything or charge anyone for us.

Thanks in advance!

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Matty M.

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I like commission junction. (cj.com) You pick the advertisers and you have the option of the ad opening a new window when clicked. I get the most revenue from them.

I am going to remove Google adsense from my site. The revenue stream dropped when they changed the hot areas of the ads. I may check out adbrite.

But overall I'm not focused much on my web venture, and haven't been for a while, so I may not be the best source of advice.

Dave K.

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Interesting Matty....I'll take a look at them.

I've also hear Google Adsense revenues dropped with there change. The reason I like them is that they pull the keywords and the ads...for the most part....make sense with what you are looking at.

Since my site will be a board variety of topics/locations. I need something that will "know" what the user is looking at and target them.

Picking my adverstisers will come in handy for other options.

I may do google adsense and then just sign up for affiliate programs of a few key sites that are similar to mine.

Jeff T.

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Originally posted by Matty M
I like commission junction. (cj.com) You pick the advertisers and you have the option of the ad opening a new window when clicked. I get the most revenue from them.

I am going to remove Google adsense from my site. The revenue stream dropped when they changed the hot areas of the ads. I may check out adbrite.

But overall I'm not focused much on my web venture, and haven't been for a while, so I may not be the best source of advice.



I just logged into my CJ account, got a 98.00 balance, Its pretty cool.

Dave K.

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Cool stuff.....

Jeff...what kind of traffic(monthly, weekly, daily?) do you get on your site that yields $98? Is that a month, week, day worth of pay?

Just interested to see what kind of traffic I need to get?

1,000 hits per day? I'm not really sure what is considered good traffic.

Jeff T.

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Originally posted by Dave Kennedy
Cool stuff.....

Jeff...what kind of traffic(monthly, weekly, daily?) do you get on your site that yields $98? Is that a month, week, day worth of pay?

Just interested to see what kind of traffic I need to get?

1,000 hits per day? I'm not really sure what is considered good traffic.


about 800 hits a day
www.swflreia.com

Dave K.

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Not bad....do you advertise? Use Google Adwords?

That $98 is that per month?

Matty M.

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Originally posted by Jeff Tumbarello
Originally posted by Matty M
I like commission junction. (cj.com) You pick the advertisers and you have the option of the ad opening a new window when clicked. I get the most revenue from them.

I am going to remove Google adsense from my site. The revenue stream dropped when they changed the hot areas of the ads. I may check out adbrite.

But overall I'm not focused much on my web venture, and haven't been for a while, so I may not be the best source of advice.



I just logged into my CJ account, got a 98.00 balance, Its pretty cool.


Nice! I love that feeling.

I had a good month, though I view my last web venture as a failure. Well, that's not true, It is a success in education, actually. I definitely learned a lot.

I had 185.00 from CJ showing this month. But that is unusual this year. Last year at this time I'd get about 150 per month from CJ, and another 100.00 from google. This year I"M about about 17.00 per month from Google. CJ is lower, too. It is neglect of the site causing lower traffic. But the proportion of how much lower google is than CJ implies that change they made also had an effect.

With CJ it's just one ad from one advertiser that's doing the trick.

My uniques dropped from 10k per month last year to about 4k per month now. There does appear to be a small glimmer of hope based on some white hat seo efforts I did about 4 months ago. And if that shows more positive results, I may do a redesign and enhance functionality. But overall I'm more focused getting this REI thing down, and working on my unrelated site would detract from it. I'd really need some Google love to consider directing my energy back into the site. The current algorithm over there is thinking about it.

Edited: 08/21/2008 at 04:52PM by

Dan O.

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Dave,

Is your site real estate related?

David P.

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1,000 hits per day? I'm not really sure what is considered good traffic.

If you are serious about internet marketing, I would join Wealthy Affiliates. I'm a member, and for $29/month the resources are ridiculously good (to the point of overwhelming). I'm not going to provide an aff. link, because I would prefer this to be taken as a true endorsement, not a pitch.

Affiliate Marketing 101
1. Find a Hungry Market
2. Drive Traffic
3. Add Value
4. Build e-mail list
5. Make Sales

It's simple, but not easy. By the way, lots of traffic sucks if it's not targeted.

Matty M.

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My traffic was not good enough. It was covering my hosting, so that's good.

I believe to generate real revenue on an strictly ad based site - at least $1500 or more per month - the site needs to get at minimum about 100K unique visitors per month in a targeted niche. But it has been a while. I could be way off. That data easy to find with a google search.

Hopefully the traffic is low cost or free. Most ad based revenue sites need organic search engine love to do well. There are exceptions. I wasn't a fan of internet marketing. But people that like it can make millions. Like any successful venture, with lots of work it's totally possible.

Google Analytics does a decent job of tracking where visitors are coming from for free.

Edited: 08/21/2008 at 06:42PM by

Dave K.

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Originally posted by Dan O'connor
Dave,

Is your site real estate related?


It's not. Something on the side. I just had some crazy idea one night about combining all things I am interested in. Then I realized that it could actually be pertinant information to people.

Its some what of a local search engine/database/social networking site. Hard to explain without going into to much detail. Its not even fully operational yet.

Basically its has to do with Sports and Music.

From there I'll leave it up to the imagination for now. Grin

Dave K.

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David,

Thx...I'll check out that company. See if it makes sense paying for their services.

What did you guys use for marketing techniques?

We have a few unique ideas and some of your typical ideas.

We'd like to go guerilla....its cheap and fun!

I don't want to pay for Google Adwords. I feel like I'd end up shelling out more to them then they would to me.

We are going to utilize alot of friends, family to pass it on to there friends, family, co-workers. No in a chain mail but just word of mouth. Hopefully they see the usefulness of the site and want to help us out.

We also want to take advantage of social networking sites/forums which we can target to our market. Hence we'd be using Sports and Music forums. I don't want to spam it. But I think people will enjoy it.

Also going to print out some window decals for the site and hand them out.

Hopefully target media outlets to write a quick story about our "start up". Inc mag, enterpenuers, wsj...they do a lot of that stuff. Local newspapers.

Also I run alot of road races...going to paint it on my chest...just to get a few laughs and maybe some inquiring.

I'm looking forward to the marketing!

David P.

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Dave,

I like the "Guerilla" tactics. Every great business needs a "face" (or whatever). However, one of the hard parts with off-line to on-line marketing is "measuring" results. It will be very difficult to measure response and effectiveness.

The beauty of on-line to on-line is the ease of measurement.

Just a thought.

Jeff T.

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Adwards is a waste of money

Taz

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Originally posted by Jeff Tumbarello
Adwards is a waste of money


No truer words have ever been uttered.

Joshua D.

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I'm curious why you guys feel that way....

David P.

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Me too.

Taz

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Okay, to be fair, I have not used adwords in over four years it may have changed.

But, in 2003 and 2004 we used adwords to promote some software. We were on the advertiser side of the equation. Through tracking of all of our advertising expenditures the money spent through adwords was the least productive, and I am being kind by implying it was productive at all.

Fraud is rampant with adwords. Sites will hire people to use Tor and other anonymizer sites so their ip address changes regularly and click on the ads to generate revenue from false clicks. As much lip service as Google gave to the problem at that time, they had no clue as to how to stop it.

We changed and went to an affiliate model and then actively worked to recruit those affiliates. It worked very well and was at least 1000x more effective than adwords was for us.

Today, with sites like cj.com, I can't imagine why anyone would use adwords as an advertiser or site publisher.

Dave K.

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Tim,

I'm a bit confused is it Google AdSense or AdWords that you don't like?

People tend to lump them together and one is an expense the other is revenue.

AdSense - is free to use you sign up and it creates the small link advertisements on your site which provide you revenue.

Adwords - is when you bid to pay a certain amount for a word or phrase in the search engine. Everytime someone clicks and goes to your site through that word. You pay Google.

I'm sure you know the difference but AdSense and AdWords have been interchanged in this thread.

Are you saying you don't like the AdSense program and you'd go out and find your own affiliates that will bring you more revenue?

If thats the case, doing affiliates over Google AdSense will take a lot of time for my site. Since the variations of advertising will be vast on my site it'll be hard for me to tailor my ads to each individual users. Something that Google AdSense should do automatically. I've heard good things about it.