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Real Estate Investor · charlotte, North Carolina


Currently, Obama's financial advisors have stated that the high end tax bracket will go up to 39+%. Does anyone think this high end tax bracket might go up to 50%+ or more?


BiggerPockets Founder · Denver, Colorado


Once you start raising taxes, what's to hold you back? Of course they might keep raising taxes on the high end.

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Real Estate Investor · Las Vegas, Nevada


Raising taxes requires an act of congress. However, letting the Bush tax cuts expire will let the top rate revert to 39% without congressional action.

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Real Estate Investor · Indiana, Indiana


It's not the income tax that worries me so much as the cap gains tax and more than one person thinks it's possible as we had the largest post-election stock sell off in the history of the US.

Then again, none of it really worries me. There's so many ways of accessing cash without creating income it's ridiculous.


· Indianapolis, Indiana


My advice?
Stop worrying and start working!

There is ALWAYS a way.

There is not much anyone can do about the politics at this point. The best thing we can do is batten down the hatches, work hard, and good things will happen.

There is going to be some pain, no question, but creating wealth, a business, or any other form of success is never easy.

The good news about all of this?
There are some incredible opportunities if we can be creative, patient, and stay smart!


Real Estate Investor · charlotte, North Carolina


The implications of a much higher cap gains rate on the commercial side of the business is hard to quantify. Cap rates are rising as we speak throughout the country and the uncertainty does not help.

I agree the best medicine is to work hard and it will all work out. Also agree on the opportunities present in the market.


Real Estate Investor · Naperville, IL


The implications of the coming Obama disaster for America reach far beyond economics. The primary issue that worries me is a much more insidious attack on private property rights than taxation. The issue is JUDGES. Little has been said in the media about the Judicial vacancy crisis created by Democrats in Congress who have delayed the appointment of judges-- some for 3 years-- in hopes of doing what they just did: take the White House, and jam the courts with 100's of not just liberal judges-- but complete whack job judges. I don't think Americans realize the seriousness of this defeat-- and the permanent effect it will have. Politics as we know it is over. This is no ordinary election: America lost this election. The Alinski-ites are in control of all the levels of power and they'll use every means at their disposal to ***permanently*** tilt the rules in their favor. It's already started-- we no longer have election day- it's election month now-- it's total chaos. They are stealing the election in Minnesota as the whole country watches and the media is mum. This was the victory of Saul Alinsky radicals-- Bill Ayers & company now run the country. I don't want to be a downer-- but it's over folks. This is the beginning of the end.


Real Estate Investor · StL, Missouri


Yes, Obama has stated all along that he would raise the top tax rate to 39.6%-the rate before the Bush tax cuts. The tax cuts are scheduled to last only through 2010 as they were passed which is why Bush spent all that time saying that his tax cuts would 'pay for themselves' in 2012 as that gave him 2 years of higher taxes to payback his deficits. Unless Obama changes the tax code before 2010, it is the Republican Congress and President of 2001 & 2003 that will be raising the income tax rate ON EVERYBODY as the new 10% income tax bracket was apart of those cuts (the $300 checks that were sent out) that will expire.

To sum it up:
If nothing is done, the Republicans of 2001 & 2003 will raise the taxes of everybody in 2010. (the sunset was put in there by the actual Republicans not the fake 'let's increase the government by the largest amount ever in history' Republicans.)

If Obama gets his way: The Democratics of 2009 will cut (by not allowing cuts to sunset) 4 out of 6 tax brackets. With our tiered income tax system EVERYBODY gets those tax cuts. Only those in the top 2 brackets will see their marginal rates increase by 3% or 4.6%, depending on the bracket, to what tax rates were in 2000.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


The implications of the coming Obama disaster for America reach far beyond economics.

You're right about that. Our entire form of government is at stake. We're living in interesting times and may actually be witnessing the destruction of a country.

Mike


Rehabber · Santa Clarita, California


That is a very grim outlook on our country Mike. It is quite clear you are very dissatisfied with our country's President Elect, but speaking more optomistically, I believe our country will prevail from this recession and prosper once again.
I have many complaits as well, but I have realized it is futile to waste time and breath expressing them at this point. The ONLY thing we can do is to take care of "our shop" and weather the storm or even take advantage of it. This will allow us to get through these hard times.

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Real Estate Consultant · San Antonio, Texas


In my humble opinion we simply need to become more community oriented. That is what this country was founded on (communities not corporations) and it is one thing that can save our way of life.


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Originally posted by Lee Common
In my humble opinion we simply need to become more community oriented. That is what this country was founded on (communities not corporations) and it is one thing that can save our way of life.

Huh? This country was founded because a bunch of elites in England (feel free to insert Washington D.C. for modern day purposes) decided to over tax, over regulate, take away representation and not because "it took a village."

This is starting to sound familiar.



Originally posted by MikeOH

You're right about that. Our entire form of government is at stake. We're living in interesting times and may actually be witnessing the destruction of a country.


I doubt it is that dire. There is still a rule of law and unless he wins re-election in 2012 his term and any authority will end at 12:01 PM on January 20, 2013 at the very latest.

What is interesting is to see the higher level of maturity and class the Bush administration has over what we witnessed when the Clintons were leaving town. I doubt there will be keyboards with missing "O" keys.


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Flipper, you paint with a wide brush stroke. I believe the likes of Mike, Tim and I are the on the record as stating that Bush is a disappointment and did not handle the economy well.

A bad President is a bad President, whether Republican or Democrat.



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Flipper, you paint with a wide brush stroke. I believe the likes of Mike, Tim and I are the on the record as stating that Bush is a disappointment and did not handle the economy well.

A bad President is a bad President, whether Republican or Democrat.


Yep, I have said many times W turned out to be a disappointment. I have often said it would've been nice to have had a real Republican in the White House over the last eight years.

But, I voted for him twice because he was still better than the alternatives. Can you imagine what our response in 2001 would've been from President Gore? He would've wanted the US to pay some kind of tax or penalty for the carbon emissions from the 9/11 attacks.



The Obama effect is real.

Investors who have large untapped capital gains are taking steps to realize those gains this year because they are convinced the cap gains rate is going to double next year. It is happening with stocks and real estate more than in other areas.

Investors are really worried they are going to punished for having been responsible for so long.

Bailouts for homeowners in default.

Bailouts for those in trouble with their credit cards.

Congressional hearings discussing seizure or tax of retirement plans.

That is just the short list.

Since the election the number one search term for new readers coming to my blog is some variation on worries over retirement plan seizure or taxation.

The Obama effect is real and widespread and when key members of his transition team talk about him ruling when he takes office instead of governing, the effect intensifies.

Anyone familiar with marketing knows perception is reality and the perception that the productive members of our society are about to punished for being responsible citizens is growing. Consequently, the smart ones are taking steps to get out of the way.


Real Estate Investor · Ohio


I think it's interesting that people think I'm talking doom and gloom when I say that our country will collapse. Two or three years ago, I was criticized for saying that the real estate bubble was going to bust. People kept saying that I was spewing doom and gloom and that "things were different this time". Ironically, that's what people ALWAYS say when there's a bubble and they want to believe that things can only go up, up, up in price.

We've witnessed powerful countries collapse time after time throughout history. The latest big collapse was the soviet union, which is headed back toward being a dictatorship. The root cause of the collapse of the Soviet Union was over-spending. Does that sound familiar?

The United States started out as a country of hard working, self-sufficient individuals with a can-do attitude. Over the past 230 years, we've turned into a nation of mostly mamby-pamby whiners who feel entitled to having the government take care of their every need! It's gotten so ridiculous, that we now apparently believe that it's impossible to fail in the US. Wall Street can't fail; insurance companies can't fail; the auto industry can't fail; irresponsible homeowners can't fail; and soon even those that wrecklessly ran up their credit cards will be bailed out!!! We've now elected an OVERT SOCIALIST to be our president. I'll bet our founding fathers are spinning in their graves!

This country WILL collapse and it deserves to collapse. It is an absolute certainty.

Mike




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